Ok, so I know how to do tree breeding for different species. What i'm trying to do currently is something different. I'm crossbreeding a giant sequoia tree with apple oak trees so I can have a giant sequoia tree with increased growth rate. However, the saplings are just a bunch of hybrids with mixed traits. Is there a way to 'purify' saplings to give them exactly the traits that I want?
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Ok, I know people don't like it when threads are bumped but I just discovered a new problem. The sequoia trees don't give sequoia logs when chopped down, instead they give a weird item called 'wood.24 Wood'. Whats bad is that they can't be turned into planks. Does anyone know what causes this (and is there a fix)?
The giant sequoia tree, is that the one with the 4x4 trunk? Because Forestry has two sequoias, one with a 3x3 and one with a 4x4 trunk. When this fact was discussed here last (a few versions ago), it was impossible to legitly obtain the 4x4 one (confirmed by SirSengir). The mutation was disabled, and the saplings removed from the Creative tab. You could still spawn it in via NEI though. If you're trying to do something with that tree, it's very possible that it simply isn't functional.
Well I guess the second one isn't about tree 'breeding', but since you need tree breeding yo get sequoias in the first place, i'd consider it to be a problem with that.
Oh, I see. I didn't know this since I haven't done any actual breeding yet, I was just playing around in creative to make sure it would work. Guess i'll have to use the 3x3 ones then.
Do know that hybrids aren't bad at all when it comes to treebreeding, due to the fact that the active traits are the only ones being used to determine the tree characteristics when a sapling grows. All the saplings of the adult tree will be identical to the one you planted as well, as the crossbreeding only happens during pollination.
If you still want a purebred tree for whatever reason, there is a way, but you might have to work a bit for it (I did some work on a testmap, found that it is impossible to purebreed a 'faster' seqoia while retaining the 3x3 and largest trait while testing with pollen (The pollen is default stats of each tree, which poses a problem). Let me give it a shot.
First thing first. You want a Seqoia-Seqoia tree, none of this apple nonsense. So you have to understand the mechanics of how breeding works. Basically, when you breed a pair of trees, the resulting sapling will be one of four possible outcomes based on the trees you're breeding (that is if you only care about the species trait, of course). In the case of Seqoia and Apple Oak, you have: Seq+App, Seq+App, App+Seq, App+Seq (Take a look at this for a more in-depth explanation). As you can see, breeding two purebred trees together will always result in a hybrid of those two.
How to counteract this? Generational breeding! Just pick one of the hybrids generated by the Seqoia-AppleOak pairing and you should see that it will have the 'faster' trait in either active or inactive, as well as a jumble of other stats. Basically, every stat that differed on the two trees will be shuffled, as there's an equal chance of each trait getting the active state or not. You might find that your hybrid is an active small 1x1 faster growth seqoia, with inactive largest 3x3 slower growth apple oak, which is quite amusing when planted.
Your hybrid Seqoia looks good on paper, as it has the faster trait, but it also lost it's height and girth, so you'll want to breed that back in with a couple of default seqoias. just breed your hybrid sapling with a normal seqoia until you get a sapling with either pure(both inactive and active) 3x3 girth or largest height, whilst still retaining the 'faster' trait in either active or inactive state. Then replant and do the same until you have both height and girth back to default levels. Feel free to make this a pure Seq-Seq sapling as well. Remember though that you need the faster trait in either active or inactive, or you'd have to start over.
Next, you should do the same to your apple hybrid from the first batch. This is a bit more tricky, as you'd have to retain two traits, the girth and height, as either inactive or active instead of just the speed. Basically do the same thing as the seqoia until you have an apple-seqoia (It's important that you do not make this a pure apple sapling!) with faster-faster growth trait and either inactive or active largest and 3x3.
Now you have two saplings you can breed together to create your thorough-bred seqoia! Basically, just mash them together and you should after quite a while have a purebred Seqoia sapling with purebred 'faster', 3x3, 'largest' traits. Going by the square mentioned earlier, you should have a 50% chance of getting pure in each of the stats (t1-t2, t1-t2, t1-t1, t1-t1), multiply that with a grand total of four stats (Species, Speed, Height, Girth) and you have a lottery
You might want to do this in increments; get the pure stat in one or two at a time, replant and keep going for more sanity.Ta-dah, you now have your awesome Seqoia sapling. But as I said earlier, a Seqoia-Apple Hybrid with active 'Fastest', '3x3', and 'Largest' will look identical to outsiders not sampling your saplings, and you get no discernible benefits other than a soothed OCD heart
.TL;DR? Yeeah.... don't do this, man, it ain't worth it son! Just get one of the hybrids, then mash it together with a regular seqoia until you have all the traits you want in your tree in the active position. Seqoia-Apple is awesome and easy in that regards, as it has no recessive/dominant bs to worry about. Should take you max 1 hour from start to finish. I sincerely hopw you read this before you read all the other stuff, but hey, you asked for it
Yeah, I realised later that tree breeding isn't like bee breeding - trees only produce saplings like the original, meaing that hybrids are fine. But thank you anyway
You know, i'm really starting to like tree breeding, its nowhere near as tedious as bee breeding. I was originally just going to use these sequoias for the mother of all tree farms (I still am), but now I feel as if I should go the whole hog and make some awesome biofuel producing trees as well.
Speaking of which, does anyone know which trees give the highest sappiness? The highest i've found so far are blue mahoe with 'high' sappiness, are there any that go higher?
Highest sappiness attainable is the mahoe, sadly (though 1500mb per saplings isn't bad at all), but check out Balsa for its Triple (Edit: It's called 'High' Saplings these days.) trait. Nothing like getting half a stack or so of saplings from a single small tree
Now what I am interested in seeing is, what tree will get me the most leaf blocks per tree?
Now what I am interested in seeing is, what tree will get me the most leaf blocks per tree?
Actually it is more beneficial to grow 1x1 tallest possible tree, like a crosbreed between cherry and sequoia. This way you get more leaf blocks in an area than with a larger girth. But in Forestry probably chestnut would have the most leaves, or ebony maybe.
In 1.4.7 single "largest" chestnut + "triple" saplings gave me over a stack of saplings per tree.
In 1.4.7 single "largest" chestnut + "triple" saplings gave me over a stack of saplings per tree.
1500mb of biofuel per sapling? Thats a lot, I had no idea it was that much (with high sappiness anyway)
I was going to use silver lime trees actually, since they are 1x1 and they have a ton of leaves on them, but i'll check out chestnuts and see how they look.
I was going to use silver lime trees actually, since they are 1x1 and they have a ton of leaves on them, but i'll check out chestnuts and see how they look.
1500mb of biofuel per sapling? Thats a lot, I had no idea it was that much (with high sappiness anyway)
I was going to use silver lime trees actually, since they are 1x1 and they have a ton of leaves on them, but i'll check out chestnuts and see how they look.
1500mb of Biomass, not Biofuel or Ethanol. Just to be clear
In my past worlds i couldn't find enough silver lime saplings...1500mb of biofuel per sapling? Thats a lot, I had no idea it was that much (with high sappiness anyway)
I was going to use silver lime trees actually, since they are 1x1 and they have a ton of leaves on them, but i'll check out chestnuts and see how they look.
seriously, that was what i got almost every time.
Yeah, thats what I meant. Although, I just realised, since I don't have GT installed (i'm on the unleashed pack), I don't have access to the distillation tower, meaning I only get 3 buckets of biofuel/ethanol for every 10 buckets of biomass, as opposed to 1 bucket of biofuel for every 2 buckets of biomass. Annoying.1500mb of Biomass, not Biofuel or Ethanol. Just to be clear
I just directly burn the biomass is biogas engines usually, unless everything's to fuel a boiler.
By the way, how much does the distillation tower give you?
Purifying the traits of a tree, to make it pure-bred, is no different than in bee-breeding (see my sample saplings in the image below). All it requires is an iterative process of breeding the desired traits until the saplings have all the desired traits. For example, see below. Just understand that unlike bees, the dominance and recessive of the species is critical when trying to make a tree pure-bred. If you're interested to know how the dominance/recessive nature of the species can impact purifying a tree, consider seeing this topic that I posted a while back (link here).
I think I got it from the hill cherry tree. Either hill cherry, or chestnut, or walnut trees. They have the highest sappiness by default, I think. In Mindcrack 1.4.7....I think I read that the sappiness trait was't fully working yet.