Well, that was back when tree breeding was really new. I think he's got it working now.
2 Questions about tree breeding
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Yeah, but I can't be bothered to update to the latest versions yet. Lol. Too many solar panels in my current world to just up and abandon it.
Don't the newer forestry versions require MC 1.5.2 and up? I'm still on 1.4.7...
Yeah...but I just crossed the 20+ ultimate solar panel hybrid line....
But I agree, I definitely love forestry and will eventually reset my world when a full 1.6 modpack comes out.
Forestry + Factorization = Awesome bee farms.
Ok, this tree breeding is starting to get frustrating. I managed to get a silver lime-apple oak hybrid with decent traits, but now i'm trying to crossbreed it with balsa trees for highest saplings. However, they're refusing to co-operate; I just end up with a bunch of weird crossbred saplings, none of which have all good traits.
With bees, there's the inoculator for giving bees the exact traits you want. Is there an equivalent item for trees? Failing that, is there some other easier way of getting saplings with the desired traits?
With bees, there's the inoculator for giving bees the exact traits you want. Is there an equivalent item for trees? Failing that, is there some other easier way of getting saplings with the desired traits?
Are there trees in the nearby vicinity? That could be why you're getting weird hybrids. Get rid of all trees within a 50 block radius, if possible.
No, its not that. They are all silver lime/apple oak/balsa hybrids. I just meant they all have crap traits. Is there an easy(er) way of giving them only good traits?
as I wrote earlier in my way-too-long-to-read post, you got to do it in increments. Start simple, and focus on one trait at a time. What exactly are you trying to make? I can write up a (somewhat) easy step-by-step guide if you want
EDIT: I'm assuming you want the silver lime for its leaves, apple oak for the faster growth, and balsa for it's high sapling drop and possibly its large height? I'll see what I can come up with, give me a few mins.
EDIT: I'm assuming you want the silver lime for its leaves, apple oak for the faster growth, and balsa for it's high sapling drop and possibly its large height? I'll see what I can come up with, give me a few mins.
Allright, let's start with the easy one. I'm assuming you have a bountiful supply of pure applo, slime and balsa saplings.
EDIT: Read the note at the end. Rest of the post still applies, but you might want to change some things
Start by planting apple oak and balsa. If you are running on the unleashed pack, the new forestry gives a 3x bonus to pollination speed if you use bee houses, which is nice. Another good idea is to use industrious bees, as they get bonuses as well. I like to make a pattern with four (two of each) trees surrounding a single bee house in an x formation, with plenty of space to walk inbetween and plenty of space for leaves to grow. Then I repeat that design until I've got 4 bees pollinating 16 (8 of each) trees.
Now, wait for hybridization. Any hybrid will do, it will contain the traits we will need, and every sapling we get at this stage will be just as good as the next, no exceptions. Note that none of your hybrid saplings will be apple oaks; this is dominant/recessive genes at work where apple oak is a recessive gene (blue). Since the slime is a dominant (red) it will always take the active position in any combination that involves the two of them. Don't worry too much about it, our traits do not have this problem.
Now take your slime-applo hybrid and replace all your apple trees with your new hybrid. Remember where you plant these, they will look identical to the mundane slimes. We shall now purify the slime. Just breed the trees you now have until you get a sapling with both of its species genomes set to slime, whilst still retaining that faster growth from the applo. Remember, it doesn't matter if the growth speed is active or inactive.
At last, we will plant a balsa or two. Just replace all your old mundane slimes and set up the field with mundane balsa and your new faster-growth slime. Now for the fun part. This will yet again make you a completely bonkers hybrid. We will basically repeat the process we did earlier when we purified the slime species, only now we have to do it with two traits whilst holding onto both the faster growth and the silver lime species.
Remove your super-slime from the field, and plant your new bonkers slime-balsa hybrid, then start crossbreeding. Every new breed of sapling has a 50% chance of having a pure 'Large' or 'Triple/High', so it shouldn't take long to find a sapling that does one of them. Now, run a checklist on this new sapling
- does it contain the silver lime species genome in some way? (Inactive or active)
- does it contain the faster growth trait in some way?
- does it contain <either large height or triple/high depending on which trait got purebred first> in some way?
If the answer to all of these are yes, then you are free to keep this sapling, dig up the old hybrid, and then replant using the new sapling. Now you only need to purify the last trait (whilst keeping Faster and Slime around), and you're almost home.
Finally, you'll have a sapling with all the good traits. Replant one last time, and wait until you have a sapling that has the faster growth and the Slime species trait in the active slots. Congratumalations, you now have a Silver Lime with the following stats:
- Species: Silver Lime - Balsa
- Saplings: High/Triple - High/Triple
- Matures: Faster - Average
- height: Large - Large
NOTE: LMAO. I just wrote all of this and just realized it would be easier to breed the applo and slime together, purify the slime and retain the faster trait, then breed this "super-slime" with a basic balsa, before doing the tedious task of purifying the balsa. Instead I went ahead and did something unneccesary, purifying the balsa twice, heh.
EDIT2: What is it with me and treebreeding? Guess I'm just too fond of it, hope this helps mate!
EDIT3: Rewrote it.
EDIT: Read the note at the end. Rest of the post still applies, but you might want to change some things
Start by planting apple oak and balsa. If you are running on the unleashed pack, the new forestry gives a 3x bonus to pollination speed if you use bee houses, which is nice. Another good idea is to use industrious bees, as they get bonuses as well. I like to make a pattern with four (two of each) trees surrounding a single bee house in an x formation, with plenty of space to walk inbetween and plenty of space for leaves to grow. Then I repeat that design until I've got 4 bees pollinating 16 (8 of each) trees.
Now, wait for hybridization. Any hybrid will do, it will contain the traits we will need, and every sapling we get at this stage will be just as good as the next, no exceptions. Note that none of your hybrid saplings will be apple oaks; this is dominant/recessive genes at work where apple oak is a recessive gene (blue). Since the slime is a dominant (red) it will always take the active position in any combination that involves the two of them. Don't worry too much about it, our traits do not have this problem.
Now take your slime-applo hybrid and replace all your apple trees with your new hybrid. Remember where you plant these, they will look identical to the mundane slimes. We shall now purify the slime. Just breed the trees you now have until you get a sapling with both of its species genomes set to slime, whilst still retaining that faster growth from the applo. Remember, it doesn't matter if the growth speed is active or inactive.
At last, we will plant a balsa or two. Just replace all your old mundane slimes and set up the field with mundane balsa and your new faster-growth slime. Now for the fun part. This will yet again make you a completely bonkers hybrid. We will basically repeat the process we did earlier when we purified the slime species, only now we have to do it with two traits whilst holding onto both the faster growth and the silver lime species.
Remove your super-slime from the field, and plant your new bonkers slime-balsa hybrid, then start crossbreeding. Every new breed of sapling has a 50% chance of having a pure 'Large' or 'Triple/High', so it shouldn't take long to find a sapling that does one of them. Now, run a checklist on this new sapling
- does it contain the silver lime species genome in some way? (Inactive or active)
- does it contain the faster growth trait in some way?
- does it contain <either large height or triple/high depending on which trait got purebred first> in some way?
If the answer to all of these are yes, then you are free to keep this sapling, dig up the old hybrid, and then replant using the new sapling. Now you only need to purify the last trait (whilst keeping Faster and Slime around), and you're almost home.
Finally, you'll have a sapling with all the good traits. Replant one last time, and wait until you have a sapling that has the faster growth and the Slime species trait in the active slots. Congratumalations, you now have a Silver Lime with the following stats:
- Species: Silver Lime - Balsa
- Saplings: High/Triple - High/Triple
- Matures: Faster - Average
- height: Large - Large
Start by planting apple oak and balsa. If you are running on the unleashed pack, the new forestry gives a 3x bonus to pollination speed if you use bee houses, which is nice. Another good idea is to use industrious bees, as they get bonuses as well. I like to make a pattern with four (two of each) trees surrounding a single bee house in an x formation, with plenty of space to walk inbetween and plenty of space for leaves to grow. Then I repeat that design until I've got 4 bees pollinating 16 (8 of each) trees.
Now, wait for hybridization. Any hybrid will do, it will contain the traits we will need, and every sapling we get at this stage will be just as good as the next, no exceptions. (Actually, it might be useful to pick a hybrid that has the 'small' height as the active trait. more on that later). Note that none of your hybrid saplings will be apple oaks; this is dominant/recessive genes at work where apple oak is a recessive gene (blue). Since the balsa is a dominant (red) it will always take the active position in any combination that involves the two of them. Don't worry too much about it, our traits do not have this problem.
Now take your balsa-applo hybrid and replace all your apple trees with your new hybrid. Did you remember to pick a hybrid with the small active trait? Now you can more easily discern which trees are hybrids and which are plain. We shall now purify a couple of traits: 'Balsa-Balsa', 'Large', and 'High/Triple'). Keep breeding until you get a sapling that has at least one of these traits pure (ex. balsa-balsa, large-large, etc.), and then make sure that this sapling still retains traces of the other traits (Balsa, Large, Triple, and Faster) you want to purify. Then you can go ahead and rip up your old balsa hybrids and replace them with your new hybrid. Now you only need to purify two more! If you followed my instructions, this shouldn't be too hard; getting a pure trait is a flat 50% chance at this stage. Just remember that you still want traces of the other traits!Repeat the previous steps until you have all three balsa traits locked down in pure form.
Finally, you should have a Balsa-Balsa sapling with these specific traits:
- Saplings: High/Triple - High/Triple
- Matures: Faster - Average OR Average - Faster
- height: Large - Large
You're almost there now! Next, we will finally use the Silver Lime. We're now basically undoing all the work we did purifying the sapling earlier, but trust me, this way you actually have a semblance of control, and not basing everything on luck. You will get another hybrid with a random assortment of traits, just as you did when you first started breeding balsa and applo. This time, however, it's important that you find a hybrid that still retains that tiny faster production trait from the applo. This can take some time, so be patient.
Did you get it? Good! Now the rest of the fun continues. If by pure chance you got a Hybrid with all the good traits in the active slot, you're already done, but that's such a miniscule chance that we won't bother even hoping for that. Take your new-found Hybrid and do the purifying dance all over again, only this time you're looking for the traits to fall in place as you're going. If you at any point find a sapling where everything fits neatly into the active trait, go ahead and stop purifying.
And yer done! You now have a sapling that contains the best from three worlds. As you probably can tell by now, we basically did a lot of work just to transfer that faster speed from the applo all the way over to the silver lime, which we only needed leaves from... hm.
Now, wait for hybridization. Any hybrid will do, it will contain the traits we will need, and every sapling we get at this stage will be just as good as the next, no exceptions. (Actually, it might be useful to pick a hybrid that has the 'small' height as the active trait. more on that later). Note that none of your hybrid saplings will be apple oaks; this is dominant/recessive genes at work where apple oak is a recessive gene (blue). Since the balsa is a dominant (red) it will always take the active position in any combination that involves the two of them. Don't worry too much about it, our traits do not have this problem.
Now take your balsa-applo hybrid and replace all your apple trees with your new hybrid. Did you remember to pick a hybrid with the small active trait? Now you can more easily discern which trees are hybrids and which are plain
. We shall now purify a couple of traits: 'Balsa-Balsa', 'Large', and 'High/Triple'). Keep breeding until you get a sapling that has at least one of these traits pure (ex. balsa-balsa, large-large, etc.), and then make sure that this sapling still retains traces of the other traits (Balsa, Large, Triple, and Faster) you want to purify. Then you can go ahead and rip up your old balsa hybrids and replace them with your new hybrid. Now you only need to purify two more! If you followed my instructions, this shouldn't be too hard; getting a pure trait is a flat 50% chance at this stage. Just remember that you still want traces of the other traits!Repeat the previous steps until you have all three balsa traits locked down in pure form.Finally, you should have a Balsa-Balsa sapling with these specific traits:
- Saplings: High/Triple - High/Triple
- Matures: Faster - Average OR Average - Faster
- height: Large - Large
You're almost there now! Next, we will finally use the Silver Lime. We're now basically undoing all the work we did purifying the sapling earlier, but trust me, this way you actually have a semblance of control, and not basing everything on luck. You will get another hybrid with a random assortment of traits, just as you did when you first started breeding balsa and applo. This time, however, it's important that you find a hybrid that still retains that tiny faster production trait from the applo. This can take some time, so be patient.
Did you get it? Good! Now the rest of the fun continues. If by pure chance you got a Hybrid with all the good traits in the active slot, you're already done, but that's such a miniscule chance that we won't bother even hoping for that. Take your new-found Hybrid and do the purifying dance all over again, only this time you're looking for the traits to fall in place as you're going. If you at any point find a sapling where everything fits neatly into the active trait, go ahead and stop purifying.
And yer done! You now have a sapling that contains the best from three worlds. As you probably can tell by now, we basically did a lot of work just to transfer that faster speed from the applo all the way over to the silver lime, which we only needed leaves from... hm.
NOTE: LMAO. I just wrote all of this and just realized it would be easier to breed the applo and slime together, purify the slime and retain the faster trait, then breed this "super-slime" with a basic balsa, before doing the tedious task of purifying the balsa. Instead I went ahead and did something unneccesary, purifying the balsa twice, heh.
EDIT2: What is it with me and treebreeding? Guess I'm just too fond of it, hope this helps mate!
EDIT3: Rewrote it.
Thank you.
Incidentally, I was also going to breed them with blue mahoe for high sappiness, but its the same principle right?I also wish i'd known about bee houses until now (well, I knew of them, but I didn't see the point of them).
EDIT: I don't know how many people know this, but aura and jaded bees have the highest pollination speed (well, I know aura bees do, I just read about jaded from the wiki).
Ok, i've been doing as you suggested, but i've got a (potential) problem. I've been crossbreeding apple oak trees with balsas as part of the first step. However, they're all balsa-apple saplings, not apple-balsa as I was hoping. Does this matter?
EDIT: Derp. Should've read your thing properly. Sorry.
EDIT: Derp. Should've read your thing properly. Sorry.
Sorry for bumping again, but i've run into a new problem. I replaced my apple trees with balsa-apple hybrids as you said. However, because the dominant trait is balsa, they won't crossbreed with the pure balsa trees (trees of the same type don't crossbreed with each other). This means that i'm not getting any new saplings. Am I missing something?
Back again, did some extensive testing with an Balsa-Apple hybrid.
I had no problems breeding a field of default Balsa saplings with the Balsa-Apple sapling, while using Industrious bees in bee houses. However, doing some breeding with Aura bees has yet to yield anything, so i think they may be bugged as of current Unleashed.
You might want to try traveling away from your trees or refresh the chunks and see if you have issues with blocks updating, I recall that was a problem in earlier versions. Also, are you using the forestry spectacles? They make the hybrid blocks appear with more intensity. Good luck!
EDIT: Pic of glorious progress: http://i.imgur.com/UdWFwrx.jpg?1
I had no problems breeding a field of default Balsa saplings with the Balsa-Apple sapling, while using Industrious bees in bee houses. However, doing some breeding with Aura bees has yet to yield anything, so i think they may be bugged as of current Unleashed.
You might want to try traveling away from your trees or refresh the chunks and see if you have issues with blocks updating, I recall that was a problem in earlier versions. Also, are you using the forestry spectacles? They make the hybrid blocks appear with more intensity. Good luck!
EDIT: Pic of glorious progress: http://i.imgur.com/UdWFwrx.jpg?1
Sorry for the bump, but this is the guide I use when breeding traits and I'm surprised no one addressed what I'm about to for future readers.
Did you switch your Aura bees to use a different kind of flower type? Unless I'm mistaken, Aura bees come with the Thaumic flowers requirement? If so, that explains why they aren't pollinating trees, even with the max pollination speed. Again, unless I'm mistaken, Thaumic flowers are not among the list of flower traits useable for pollination.
Did you switch your Aura bees to use a different kind of flower type? Unless I'm mistaken, Aura bees come with the Thaumic flowers requirement? If so, that explains why they aren't pollinating trees, even with the max pollination speed. Again, unless I'm mistaken, Thaumic flowers are not among the list of flower traits useable for pollination.