Response to Kakermix
Ok so I want to write a post that is in response to Kakermix's reply on the following thread.
http://www.technicpack.net/forums/threads/i-come-in-peace-as-a-worried-tekkitter.31952/page-4
I would not normally post things like this on my forum, however I feel I have been forced to do so, as my posting rights on the technic forums have now been removed for some unknown rule infraction. Having this post here means that Kakermix cannot delete or otherwise control my response. This post is primarily aimed at those users who frequent both the FTB and the Technic forums.
The points I wish to address on the past start with Kakermix's assertion that I wish to be 'top dog'. Now I have no idea if he is referring to me personally or the FTB pack. I want to ensure that everyone knows that pretty much the entire time that we were working on FTB, everyone said to me we were going to be a tekkit/technic killer etc. I always asserted that was never going to happen due to the fact that no matter what we did, Tekkit would always have Yogscast and that was 1.5 million people we would never have. Not only that I have never approached a single youtuber to the best of my memory and asked or encouraged them to use the FTB mod pack or launcher. Every single mainstream youtuber approached us. This includes direwolf20 (originally he had no intention of using our launcher and wanted to carry on the way he was) DocM and then the Mindcrack team came to us through one of the mod developers and now Voxel box and others are coming to us.
I think kakermix has an absolute cheek to use the line
Considering the fact he spent god knows how long stating he could care less what the mod developers thought. The reason why all of these youtubers are coming over to FTB is because from Day 1, FTB treated the developers with the same respect that we gave the end users.
Moving on
Sorry Kaker, when FTB was created I had never even heard of Technic. The modpack exists because it was made for a map I created. The origins of that modpack were based on the Direwolf20 youtube series. The Launcher was created because I wanted an easy way for people to play the FTB Maps. Technic never came into the equation, sorry.
Again totally inaccurate, as has been stated on your forums, technicpack was originally created to be a small pack aimed at users of the SomethingAweful Forums. It was the Yogscast that started to feature these mods, on an individual level and then later with the tekkit pack. The point is, you have done absolutely nothing to promote the use of mod or to highlight mod developers. That is down to the hard work of other people including Yogscast. They did this despite you, not because of you.
I thought the only thing you set out to do was create a small private mod pack for a few people on the SomethingAweful forums, or are you now saying you set out to do more than that.
Whilst I am here I want to clarify the details of the launcher. In the past we have had several groups working on the launcher. Initially it started with Forkk but due to time constraints he wasnt able to do more than get the project started. Finally I got a group of 4 people who worked pretty solid for several weeks to build the launcher. Since then a couple more people have joined the team. The point is, the FTB launcher is a completely custom launcher built from the ground up. Certain decisions with regards to the way the launcher does things is by design. We wanted the launcher to be completely compatable with MultiMC, especially as Forkk is a friend (even if he is annoying at times
).
I can assure you our code is not remotely a reskinned version of MultiMC. They are 2 different programs that do 2 totally different things. I want to also make it very clear that building our launcher was not the original preferred option. There was a time that I would have quite happily used the technic launcher for FTB maps. Twice I approached the team there and offered to help them make the changes that 'our' side of the community demanded. Once in private and once in public. The first time I was rebuked by Kakermix and the second time the conversation suddenly ended once Kakermix returned from his vacation.
Again I want to make the following points very clear. I like the idea of the Technic Launcher, thats the one thing we all agree on, anything that makes life easier for the end user is a good thing. I have no problem with people who use the technic launcher. I think choices are a good thing. For the most part I like most of the staff who work on the Technic Team. I may not agree with everything that they say, but I genuinely beleive for the most part they wanted the same thing that we want. So much so that I would be happy to have with only one obvious exception, any of the technic team working on the FTB team.
I would ask anyone that reads this thread and this includes myself. Can we no longer attack technic, technic users or anyone else connected with the technic launcher. It no longer serves any purpose and only helps to create divides in a community that no longer needs divides. There are 2 functional mainstream launchers out there now. This gives people the chance to choose which launcher to use or even both. At the end of the day we are all just here to play Minecraft, whether thats Vanilla, Modded, With maps, without maps etc etc. Choices are a good thing for everyone. Let us respect those choices and peoples right to make them.
Slowpoke.
p.s. As a final note.
As this post is aimed at Technic Forum Users, I know that some of you have questioned why I was banned from posting on their forums, I cannot say for sure, I can however tell you that the last post I made on the forums, I was responding to certain people on the forums complaining about all the youtubers and other going on and on about permissions etc and Cheap Shot I believe it was commenting on the fact that they now had all permissions etc. I made the comment that they really shouldnt complain about what people were saying and that they couldnt blame people questioning this statement. I then went on to point out that whilst I knew that lately mod developers had been approached, there were certain mods, like Optifine and MoCreatures (both mods which Technic claim to have permissions for) had licences on their minecraft forum threads which seemed to contradict this. I never made any accustaions and made it extremely clear that I did not know whether they had permissions for these mods or not. I only said that there was nothing to be found anywhere that backed up Technics statement that they had permissions for both of these mods and that was bound to raise questions. The next time I tried to log in a little later I was perma banned.
Oh and I double checked, our moderators are not instructed to remove posts about Technic, in fact the only ones we tend to remove is those posts that are rude about Technic.
Ok so I want to write a post that is in response to Kakermix's reply on the following thread.
http://www.technicpack.net/forums/threads/i-come-in-peace-as-a-worried-tekkitter.31952/page-4
I would not normally post things like this on my forum, however I feel I have been forced to do so, as my posting rights on the technic forums have now been removed for some unknown rule infraction. Having this post here means that Kakermix cannot delete or otherwise control my response. This post is primarily aimed at those users who frequent both the FTB and the Technic forums.
The points I wish to address on the past start with Kakermix's assertion that I wish to be 'top dog'. Now I have no idea if he is referring to me personally or the FTB pack. I want to ensure that everyone knows that pretty much the entire time that we were working on FTB, everyone said to me we were going to be a tekkit/technic killer etc. I always asserted that was never going to happen due to the fact that no matter what we did, Tekkit would always have Yogscast and that was 1.5 million people we would never have. Not only that I have never approached a single youtuber to the best of my memory and asked or encouraged them to use the FTB mod pack or launcher. Every single mainstream youtuber approached us. This includes direwolf20 (originally he had no intention of using our launcher and wanted to carry on the way he was) DocM and then the Mindcrack team came to us through one of the mod developers and now Voxel box and others are coming to us.
I think kakermix has an absolute cheek to use the line
Considering the fact he spent god knows how long stating he could care less what the mod developers thought. The reason why all of these youtubers are coming over to FTB is because from Day 1, FTB treated the developers with the same respect that we gave the end users.
Moving on
Sorry Kaker, when FTB was created I had never even heard of Technic. The modpack exists because it was made for a map I created. The origins of that modpack were based on the Direwolf20 youtube series. The Launcher was created because I wanted an easy way for people to play the FTB Maps. Technic never came into the equation, sorry.
Again totally inaccurate, as has been stated on your forums, technicpack was originally created to be a small pack aimed at users of the SomethingAweful Forums. It was the Yogscast that started to feature these mods, on an individual level and then later with the tekkit pack. The point is, you have done absolutely nothing to promote the use of mod or to highlight mod developers. That is down to the hard work of other people including Yogscast. They did this despite you, not because of you.
I thought the only thing you set out to do was create a small private mod pack for a few people on the SomethingAweful forums, or are you now saying you set out to do more than that.
Whilst I am here I want to clarify the details of the launcher. In the past we have had several groups working on the launcher. Initially it started with Forkk but due to time constraints he wasnt able to do more than get the project started. Finally I got a group of 4 people who worked pretty solid for several weeks to build the launcher. Since then a couple more people have joined the team. The point is, the FTB launcher is a completely custom launcher built from the ground up. Certain decisions with regards to the way the launcher does things is by design. We wanted the launcher to be completely compatable with MultiMC, especially as Forkk is a friend (even if he is annoying at times
).I can assure you our code is not remotely a reskinned version of MultiMC. They are 2 different programs that do 2 totally different things. I want to also make it very clear that building our launcher was not the original preferred option. There was a time that I would have quite happily used the technic launcher for FTB maps. Twice I approached the team there and offered to help them make the changes that 'our' side of the community demanded. Once in private and once in public. The first time I was rebuked by Kakermix and the second time the conversation suddenly ended once Kakermix returned from his vacation.
Again I want to make the following points very clear. I like the idea of the Technic Launcher, thats the one thing we all agree on, anything that makes life easier for the end user is a good thing. I have no problem with people who use the technic launcher. I think choices are a good thing. For the most part I like most of the staff who work on the Technic Team. I may not agree with everything that they say, but I genuinely beleive for the most part they wanted the same thing that we want. So much so that I would be happy to have with only one obvious exception, any of the technic team working on the FTB team.
I would ask anyone that reads this thread and this includes myself. Can we no longer attack technic, technic users or anyone else connected with the technic launcher. It no longer serves any purpose and only helps to create divides in a community that no longer needs divides. There are 2 functional mainstream launchers out there now. This gives people the chance to choose which launcher to use or even both. At the end of the day we are all just here to play Minecraft, whether thats Vanilla, Modded, With maps, without maps etc etc. Choices are a good thing for everyone. Let us respect those choices and peoples right to make them.
Slowpoke.
p.s. As a final note.
As this post is aimed at Technic Forum Users, I know that some of you have questioned why I was banned from posting on their forums, I cannot say for sure, I can however tell you that the last post I made on the forums, I was responding to certain people on the forums complaining about all the youtubers and other going on and on about permissions etc and Cheap Shot I believe it was commenting on the fact that they now had all permissions etc. I made the comment that they really shouldnt complain about what people were saying and that they couldnt blame people questioning this statement. I then went on to point out that whilst I knew that lately mod developers had been approached, there were certain mods, like Optifine and MoCreatures (both mods which Technic claim to have permissions for) had licences on their minecraft forum threads which seemed to contradict this. I never made any accustaions and made it extremely clear that I did not know whether they had permissions for these mods or not. I only said that there was nothing to be found anywhere that backed up Technics statement that they had permissions for both of these mods and that was bound to raise questions. The next time I tried to log in a little later I was perma banned.
Oh and I double checked, our moderators are not instructed to remove posts about Technic, in fact the only ones we tend to remove is those posts that are rude about Technic.