Wither Skeletons & heads

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Bloodfrost said:
You could always just take a skeleton spawner with it out of a thaumcraft dungeon and drop it into the nether and kill them there.
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jus encountered two TC dungeons so far. one 2 stores under ground with some skelllies and zombies spawners and wispes..
Another one with charged creepers spawner (damn they hurt a lot ..)
so you mean there are other types of dungeons? and they would have wither skeletons? on the overworld?
thx
 
PhilHibbs said:
No, but a regular skeleton spawner in the Nether spawns Wither Skeletons. Apparently. Not tried it myself.
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I've confirmed this is true in creative mode, but I don't know how one would go about getting a natural skelie spawner into the Nether. (Portal gun and Gravity gun, I believe, cannot transport blocks through dimensions, and using the torch falling trick always turns the spawner into a pig spawner.)
 
You can move spawners with pistons... it would take ages, but we all have seen the insane builds people do in vanilla sometimes, so, not that much of a stretch. I believe if you manage to put the spawner inside of the portal frame it gets transported to the other side, it seems to work that way for a lot of entities, but i'm unsure with spawners. I'm theorizing here.
 
The vanilla spawner in the nether had a chance to spawn wither skellies, its how I built my shard. But this may have been fixed in the most recent updates.
abculatter_2 said:
I've confirmed this is true in creative mode, but I don't know how one would go about getting a natural skelie spawner into the Nether. (Portal gun and Gravity gun, I believe, cannot transport blocks through dimensions, and using the torch falling trick always turns the spawner into a pig spawner.)
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using a portal gun you can carry the spawner through a mystcraft portal. it'll drop on the ground on the other side while you load into the dimension, and at times will spawn nasties waiting for you, but you can just pick it back up to turn off the spawner.
 
Step 1 : make flat mystcraft world (adding dungeons page would help too, but not essential).
Step 2 : make 2 soul shards and kill 1 zombie and 1 skele with the soul shards on your hotbar so you have 1 kill of each in each shard.
Step 3 : go to mystcraft world and go exploring. You are looking for 5 TC barrows and as they are mound shaped, they are really easy to find.
Step 4 : right click the shard on the spawners in them until you've done 4 barrows. In the 5th barrow kill loose skeles and zombies til you have 824 kills in each shard then break the spawners with your shards. Now you have 2x tier 5 soul shards.
Step 5 : make another soul shard, go to nether, find 1 wither skele and kill it so you have the kill on your shard.
Step 6 : get yourself about 10 XP levels.
Step 7 : go to your anvil, put wither skele shard in 1st slot, put one of the tier 5 shards in the 2nd slot, collect tier 5 wither skele shard.

To get the actual skulls via an automated method, what I've done is make a standard 7x7 enclosure and soul cage, red alloy wire, lever etc, but I've made a 9x9 ring of mystcraft crystal portal at the bottom which links to a place in mid air above a 3x3 crystal portal in the nether, which in turn links to a 1x1x2 glass enclosure back in my overworld base. For those that haven't already figured it out, what happens is the soul shard spawns the w/skeles and they drop into the portal, get teleported to the nether then instantly fall into another portal which brings them back to the overworld into a 1x1x2 enclosure. Of course, on the enclosure I have my melee turtle and XP turtle on one side and a brain in a jar on the other side for any 'loose' XP needed. Fully auto, no lag, and after about 3 full days of running it I have 81 stacks of wither skulls. :D
 
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by using the portla gun you can move spanwers through normal portals too! and it wont drop on the ground, you just need to hold the spawner and walk into the portal
 
baw179 said:
Step 7 : go to your anvil, put wither skele shard in 1st slot, put one of the tier 5 shards in the 2nd slot, collect tier 5 wither skele shard.
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This is going to be 'fixed' soon. In one of the next updates wither skellies from soul cages won't drop the heads anymore.
 
Hydra said:
This is going to be 'fixed' soon. In one of the next updates wither skellies from soul cages won't drop the heads anymore.
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Yeah I heard this too.
tbh I can fully understand fixing the T1 - T5 anvil bug, but wither skellie soul shard not droping heads fix seems a bit excessive.
There may be other reasons for it but you make soul shard to farm, so taking away the drop doesn't make sense at the moment. But like I said I may be missing some important part of the reason.
 
My guess is cutting out on Wither farming. With T5 Wither Skelly spawner, you start swimming in skulls, so you can farm Wither over and over to get Nether Stars, which many mods use as an expensive component for balance reasons. Without the skull drop from wither skelly spawners, you're forced to hunt Withers in the Nether, build a vanilla mob trap for Wither Skeletons on the Nether (Which is kind of very tricky to do), or use a portal gun to transport vanilla skeleton Spawners to the Nether, since those will spawn Wither Skeletons on the nether, and build a trap like that.

So basically the only thing that changes is now you don't build a T5 Wither Skeleton Spawner, you instead procure Lots and Lots of skeleton spawners from TC barrows in the overworld/mystcraft ages, build a trap in the Nether, and nothing has changed, except the author of Soul Shards now has a clear conscience in that his mod cannot be use for infinite Nether Stars. And you're more or less annoyed because the vanilla spawners will only work if you're in a 16 block radius from it, so you'll have to stand in the Nether doing basically nothing until you amass a sufficient amount of Wither Skeleton skulls. Or you go do it the Hard way, and build a vanilla mob trap in the Nether, for Wither Skeletons. KaboPC has a good tutorial on how to do it the most efficient way, and even get a mob separator going on that puts Blazes on one side and Pigmen/Wither Skellys on the other side. Any way you choose to go about it, you'll now have to BE in the Nether in order to farm your skulls.

For me? I *kinda* understand the reasoning that went behind this decision, but i don't think that it makes too much of a difference in the end, since other than making the player resort to more time consuming and less efficient methods that achieve the same end result, it doesn't actually change anything in the meta game, which i believe was the authors intention (Make Soul Shards play nicer with other mods that use Nether Stars in their more expensive recipes). In fact, for experienced mob trap builders, it may be possible that building the trap in the nether is actually faster, if more resource consuming(Pistons, redstone), than killing the required number of wither skeletons. Clearing the terrain around the spawner to make it so that no mobs spawn anywhere else other than the designated mob grinder is made trivial with Fillers, a process which normally takes ages in vanilla minecraft.
 
You know, all this has actually reminded me of something I've been meaning to test:

One possible Mystcraft page is "Nether Fortress". If you put that in a normal biome (i.e. not the Hell Biome), can you find withers and blazes inside? Or netherwart, for that matter?
 
Icarus White said:
One possible Mystcraft page is "Nether Fortress". If you put that in a normal biome (i.e. not the Hell Biome), can you find withers and blazes inside? Or netherwart, for that matter?
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Yes, but there's nothing safer about a nether fortress in a normal biome than in the nether.
 
PhilHibbs said:
IMO that sucks. I'll just cheat the heads in I think. Scouring fortresses for hours on end isn't my idea of fun.
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Even if you couldn't move a skeleton spawner into the nether(which you can, even trough a normal portal) You could always build a vanilla mob grinder. With *gasp* pistons. And stuff.
 
Poppycocks said:
Even if you couldn't move a skeleton spawner into the nether(which you can, even trough a normal portal) You could always build a vanilla mob grinder. With *gasp* pistons. And stuff.
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Sure, you could, but soul shard were presented (wrongly) to us as a great reward of making a perfect spawner, at the cost of having to kill a high amount of the mob you want.

The whole problem is that you can fuse shards to basically combine 1 soul of what you want with 1024 souls of something you can easily grind (skeletons, zombies...), and get the same as if you hunted down 1024 souls for what you wanted.
Granted, with Soul Stealer IV, you get 5 souls for 1 kill, but that still means hunting more than 200, with a sword that breaks quite fast and is as powerful as a stone sword.

Knowing that the "soul stealer" on other swords is being removed, and that combining the shards should not work as it does now, it will be quite an achievement to hunt down those creepers and wither skeletons.
(or at least would be without this vanilla spawner spawning them if placed in the nether, but that's more of a vanilla glitch)


Oh, yeah, and don't use pistons, we git MFR now, conveyor belts do the work just fine, and are way easier to setup^^
 
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The Vanilla Mob grinder is being referred to here to make a point: There's no point in making Wither Skeletons not drop their skulls when spawned from a soulshards spawner. Building efficient mob grinders in the nether to farm wither skeletons is possible. It may even be faster than killing the required amount of wither skeletons for the T5 shard. That's without using any mods. With mods, getting several skeleton spawners in the nether is trivial. Collecting them is trivial. Not really any point in that nerf, other than making it so that you HAVE to farm them in the Nether.
 
slay_mithos said:
Oh, yeah, and don't use pistons, we git MFR now, conveyor belts do the work just fine, and are way easier to setup^^
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Can stuff spawn on the conveyors? If so then yeah that'll make it trivial.

brujon said:
The Vanilla Mob grinder is being referred to here to make a point: There's no point in making Wither Skeletons not drop their skulls when spawned from a soulshards spawner. Building efficient mob grinders in the nether to farm wither skeletons is possible. It may even be faster than killing the required amount of wither skeletons for the T5 shard. That's without using any mods. With mods, getting several skeleton spawners in the nether is trivial. Collecting them is trivial. Not really any point in that nerf, other than making it so that you HAVE to farm them in the Nether.
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I fully agree.
 
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