Which host is better?

[Jared39]

I have decided to changed hosts and wanted some input from the FTB community. Ok, so between the two hosting plans below, which would be better for a 40-60 man Ultimate server?

Pytohost Dedicated servers(Value): http://pytohost.com/chunk.php

Provision Host's High performance Lapis Plan: http://provisionhost.com/minecraftservers.php

These are the two that I am considering. If neither of them will work out well then can you please recommend something that will?

Thanks,
Jared39

 

[Jared39]

Anyone?

 

[MRHeavyMetal_SIR]

I would suggest around 4GB ram to start of with and upgrade if needed its a common misconception that you need tonnes of ram and you dont ram amount needed varies on how many people you have playing its CPU power that is needed the most and i would also suggest clanslots i have been using them for 2 month now and not a single problem, top notch hardware good customer service and friendly as hell and pretty cheap to

 

[cjm721]

Before ever looking at hosting providers you need to decide how technical your capabilities are. Such as do you need a fancy CP or just ssh/putty input. Also how much support are you going to need from the company in that places that say they are minecraft hosting they normal help with server issues, but at the same time you are paying for all those extra features.

 

[DZCreeper]

Go with Pytohost, by comparison that other host is a scam. If you have a bit of wiggle room in your budget, then this server from OVH would make the Pytohost servers look like a joke.

https://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/sp_32g_ssd.xml

Its got twice the memory, a much faster processor, 2 SSD's which you could put in RAID 0 or 1. I haven't used it before myself, but they appear to have a 30 day trial offer.

 

[Jared39]

Before ever looking at hosting providers you need to decide how technical your capabilities are. Such as do you need a fancy CP or just ssh/putty input. Also how much support are you going to need from the company in that places that say they are minecraft hosting they normal help with server issues, but at the same time you are paying for all those extra features.

Yeah, I pretty much know what I am doing with the server and if there is a problem I don't mind researching for however long it takes until I find an answer. With that being said I think I am not going to go with a "Minecraft Host". Instead I am going with just the dedicated server like OVH, which brings another question. \/

Go with Pytohost, by comparison that other host is a scam. If you have a bit of wiggle room in your budget, then this server from OVH would make the Pytohost servers look like a joke.

https://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/sp_32g_ssd.xml

Its got twice the memory, a much faster processor, 2 SSD's which you could put in RAID 0 or 1. I haven't used it before myself, but they appear to have a 30 day trial offer.

Yeah, it does make theirs look like a joke Anyway, visiting OVH brings me to another question. Which machine from OVH would be better for a 30-50 man FTB server:
This one: http://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/sp_16g.xml
Or: http://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/sp_32g_ssd.xml
Remember this isn't for a GIANT server, just like a 30-50 player FTB.

I haven't used it before myself, but they appear to have a 30 day trial offer.

As for the free trail, I am in the US and did not see it on their US webpage. I went to their UK website and clicked the free trail and it seems it is only if I am going to be using the machine for a business and I don't think FTB server qualifies.

 

[cjm721]

Well the second one is going to better, it has a stronger CPU and more ram. But for 30-50 players your not going to need that much so if you don't plan on upgrading anytime soon I would go with the first one (sp1 16g). Just with OVH make you get the raid format you want as that cannot be changed after without wiping the entire system.

 

[Jared39]

Well the second one is going to better, it has a stronger CPU and more ram. But for 30-50 players your not going to need that much so if you don't plan on upgrading anytime soon I would go with the first one (sp1 16g). Just with OVH make you get the raid format you want as that cannot be changed after without wiping the entire system.

I know that I am fine with RAM since 16GB is way more than enough for a FTB server. My main concern I guess is that i5 processor. I am a little worried that it will not have enough power for FTB. (Keep in mind that my server is multithreaded)

 

[cjm721]

Personally I would think it would be fine. I use the SP2 pack with it and I can run 2 servers both with 25+ on them on the same machine (considering via splitting it in half that is kinda real multithreading, more then what tickthreading does, I also use tickthreading btw).

 

[DZCreeper]

Keep in mind a 30 - 50 person server is giant! Both of those processors will have the power you need, the main difference is amount of memory and drives. The more expensive one will load chunks a lot faster. The extra memory might be good for when you have lots of people online.

 

[Jared39]

Keep in mind a 30 - 50 person server is giant! Both of those processors will have the power you need, the main difference is amount of memory and drives. The more expensive one will load chunks a lot faster. The extra memory might be good for when you have lots of people online.

Will there be a noticable difference if I went with the HDD(I know that SSDs load faster but does it make a large difference?) I heard that you never really need more than 8-10GB of RAM. Is that false information or is there some other factor that I am not aware of?[DOUBLEPOST=1372470934][/DOUBLEPOST]

Personally I would think it would be fine. I use the SP2 pack with it and I can run 2 servers both with 25+ on them on the same machine (considering via splitting it in half that is kinda real multithreading, more then what tickthreading does, I also use tickthreading btw).

I would prefer to have all one server so that is why Tickthreading is such a life saver for me. The only way I would split it up would be if I would open up a PvP/Factions server.(I plan on doing that someday).

 

[DZCreeper]

SSD vs HDD is like night and day. Your info isn't normally false, but with 20 or more players eventually you will be needing that memory.

 

[Jared39]

SSD vs HDD is like night and day. Your info isn't normally false, but with 20 or more players eventually you will be needing that memory.

Couldn't I just run the Java Garbage Collector often to free up RAM?

 

[DZCreeper]

Yeah, but it won't matter how often you run it when you have lots of players. Fact is, they are going to need a certain amount of memory each and no amount of bug fixes, performance tweaks or garbage collection will change that.

 

[Jared39]

Yeah, I see..

 

[cjm721]

Well I run two public servers and several private servers and personally when we had our launch event for ultimate we had over 40 people on and we all spread out fast. We only used up to 12GB of RAM, now the world file got up to 30GB in those first few hours. There are quite a few things you can do to decrease ram usage also. As letting everyone have unlimited chunkloaders can be great in all until they stop playing yet their chunks are still loaded. Personaly I solved that by setting the timeout on chunkloaders. As for SSD vs HDD I know the number differences but I have always ran my servers on SSD so I personally have no experience with running one on HDD but do know you can force more dormit chunks to say in RAM which will help with read access on commonly used chunks but at the cost of RAM.

Simple tolerance test for a server is to do /save-off and run around and keep an eye on your ram/cpu as by turning saving off chunks do not deload (got up to 50k chunks by accident when I forgot to turn saving back on, server was at 17 TPS before I turned saving back on and was about to max the 16GB Limit I set on the server)

 

[Jared39]

Well I run two public servers and several private servers and personally when we had our launch event for ultimate we had over 40 people on and we all spread out fast. We only used up to 12GB of RAM, now the world file got up to 30GB in those first few hours. There are quite a few things you can do to decrease ram usage also. As letting everyone have unlimited chunkloaders can be great in all until they stop playing yet their chunks are still loaded. Personaly I solved that by setting the timeout on chunkloaders. As for SSD vs HDD I know the number differences but I have always ran my servers on SSD so I personally have no experience with running one on HDD but do know you can force more dormit chunks to say in RAM which will help with read access on commonly used chunks but at the cost of RAM.

Simple tolerance test for a server is to do /save-off and run around and keep an eye on your ram/cpu as by turning saving off chunks do not deload (got up to 50k chunks by accident when I forgot to turn saving back on, server was at 17 TPS before I turned saving back on and was about to max the 16GB Limit I set on the server)

Well, I came up with some ways that could help decrease RAM, I do not know if they are that effective though:

1.) Only allow personal anchors(Only loads chunks when the players is online).
2.) Disable quarrys chunk loading ablilities(Then people will need to put a personal anchor).
3.) Reduce the view distance a little.

Just a question I had(I know this sounds noobish) - What role does the cache play in all of this? Also, is 6MB enough?

 

[DZCreeper]

The cache honestly doesn't do that much. From my limited understanding its the fastest memory in the entire system. Operations that are going to take place in the next millionth's of a second are stored there.

This may not be entirely verified information,, but 6MB should be more than enough.

 

[Jared39]

The cache honestly doesn't do that much. From my limited understanding its the fastest memory in the entire system. Operations that are going to take place in the next millionth's of a second are stored there.

This may not be entirely verified information,, but 6MB should be more than enough.

Thanks for your reply. I have bought the machine and it says it should be available within 24-48 hours.

 

[darkdeath1332]

Thanks for your reply. I have bought the machine and it says it should be available within 24-48 hours.

I have OVH, running intel xeon e5-1650. When 100 people on 68% cpu useage.

My server was online in 10 mins when I ordered it.