What am I missing?

[Drbretto]

Hey all, just trying to figure out how to get started here and I feel like there one little thing I'm missing.

I've been running Minecraft at high frame rates with 512x512 textures and seus, all set on a view distance of 28. But, I recently decided to downgrade to 1.7.10 to run FTB Infinity, and im lucky if I can get 1 FPS.

I've turned off seus, set it to default textures, removed and re added fastcraft, optifine, and from googling, journeyman seems to be a common issue, but that didn't do anything, either.

I have 16 gigs of RAM. I have an 8 gig graphics card. I just build this PC a month ago. It seems like it should be able to take FTB Infinity in stride. What am I missing?

 

[Drbretto]

Adding here that I'm sorry if this is the wrong place or if it looks like I'm being lazy in asking here. I've been working on finding the right version and combination of mods for a month. All day every day at work browsing and researching, experimenting, etc. I have gotten incredibly frustrated. Just completely done at this point. I want to use FTB Infinity. I want it working with a decent frame rate, Seus shaders and a good viewing distance and I am so utterly sick of doing nothing but installing and configuring mod after mod and just want to play the damn game. So, I'm sorry if this is the wrong spot or whatever, I just need someone who speaks normal regular every day English that can tell me what I have to do to just get ONE thing to work right here. I need a win.

 

[rouge_bare]

My two main thoughts are:

How much ram are you assigning to Minecraft? 4 gb is ideal, too much can cause issues just as well as too little.
What Java version are you using. In order to assign 4 gb you'll need a 64bit version of Java.

 

[rhn]

Hey all, just trying to figure out how to get started here and I feel like there one little thing I'm missing.

I've been running Minecraft at high frame rates with 512x512 textures and seus, all set on a view distance of 28. But, I recently decided to downgrade to 1.7.10 to run FTB Infinity, and im lucky if I can get 1 FPS.

I've turned off seus, set it to default textures, removed and re added fastcraft, optifine, and from googling, journeyman seems to be a common issue, but that didn't do anything, either.

I have 16 gigs of RAM. I have an 8 gig graphics card. I just build this PC a month ago. It seems like it should be able to take FTB Infinity in stride. What am I missing?

There is a world of difference between vanilla and modded MC. Do not expect anywhere near the same performance.

As for your computerspecs:
RAM is not a performance spec, you simply need to have enough. Dedicate 3.5-4GB in the launcher(NO more) for a large pack like Infinity(and a 32-64x texturepack max) and you should be fine.

Your graphics card have almost no impact on minecraft. There are practically no complex rendering jobs to be processed.

What REALLY matters is your CPU. Minecraft(specially modded) is a huge sandbox filled with things that need to be calculated. If you go for a large pack like Infinity in SSP, then you need a good CPU to handle it. Minecraft cannot multicore(some mods can to some extent), so what matters mostly is core speed.

Another important performance parameter is harddrive bandwidth. I would personally recommend an SSD for a quality performance in SSP.

 

[Drbretto]

Listen, I appreciate it, but this isn't a horsepower issue. Even with mods, with high res textures, shaders, etc, it runs at around 90fps. With zero texture packs, shaders, etc, runs at 1 FPS. FTB unstable runs like normal. Interestingly, FTB Infinity runs at 90 fos when I'm in the pause menu. Then right back to 1 FPS when I'm back to the game.

There's a mod messing this up somewhere. This isn't a performance tweaking issue. Something doesn't like something.

 

[Drbretto]

And at this point, if I can get a texture pack, like any texture pack, to work right with unstable then I'm just going to run with it. I'm not going through 175 mods to find the one that doesn't play nice. I was hoping it's a common, simple problem with a simple solution. It doesn't appear to be and I'm done figuring things out.

 

[MacAisling]

My computer hates IC2exp. All I can suggest is that you disable mods 1 at a time until you find the culprit.

 

[rhn]

Listen, I appreciate it, but this isn't a horsepower issue. Even with mods, with high res textures, shaders, etc, it runs at around 90fps. With zero texture packs, shaders, etc, runs at 1 FPS. FTB unstable runs like normal. Interestingly, FTB Infinity runs at 90 fos when I'm in the pause menu. Then right back to 1 FPS when I'm back to the game.

There's a mod messing this up somewhere. This isn't a performance tweaking issue. Something doesn't like something.

1. We can only respond to the info you give us. What little you have given is looking like your system is underpowered for a large modpack as Infinity. If you want us to get the full picture, then we need to know the specs of your PC which actually matter: CPU, HDD, JAVA version installed, how much RAM allocated in launcher?
2. You CANNOT compare vanilla to modded... You cannot compare a 15 mod 1.8 modpack to a 180 mod 1.7 modpack... And you cannot compare performance during rendering and calculating to when pausing the rendering and calculation LOL...

 

[Drbretto]

1. We can only respond to the info you give us. What little you have given is looking like your system is underpowered for a large modpack as Infinity. If you want us to get the full picture, then we need to know the specs of your PC which actually matter: CPU, HDD, JAVA version installed, how much RAM allocated in launcher?
2. You CANNOT compare vanilla to modded... You cannot compare a 15 mod 1.8 modpack to a 180 mod 1.7 modpack... And you cannot compare performance during rendering and calculating to when pausing the rendering and calculation LOL...

Stop. I made it clear it wasn't a power issue in the first post. I appreciate the attempt to help, but this is not helping someone who us already on the edge. You don't need to know my specs to solve this issue. Otherwise, ID have submitted a ticket.

Anyway, despite most likely sounding like an ungrateful ass, this is absolutely coming from frustration with the game, not from you guys, its appreciated. I'm just going to go with unstable. It's working. I'll figure out what nods I have to play with as I go. I agree the only thing I could do at this point is disable them one by one and I just don't wanna, lol. I just wanna play.

 

[rhn]

Stop. I made it clear it wasn't a power issue in the first post. I appreciate the attempt to help, but this is not helping someone who us already on the edge. You don't need to know my specs to solve this issue. Otherwise, ID have submitted a ticket.

Anyway, despite most likely sounding like an ungrateful ass, this is absolutely coming from frustration with the game, not from you guys, its appreciated. I'm just going to go with unstable. It's working. I'll figure out what nods I have to play with as I go. I agree the only thing I could do at this point is disable them one by one and I just don't wanna, lol. I just wanna play.

I am terribly sorry that this have aggravated you. But without basic performance specs on an issue of performance I am not sure how we can help. And in this absence of information we can only make wild guesses that are a waste of both out time.

As a comparison I put together a new PC not so long ago. And I specifically did it with Minecraft in mind. I used a I7-5930K CPU which was pretty much Intel's top of the line at the time(without going into the server line). I have a dedicated SSD for Minecraft(and other games).
I am playing the TPPI2 pack atm. It is a 1.7 pack that is pretty comparable to Infinity in size and mods(about 180 mods). I am using a x64 texture pack.
I am still hosting my singleplayer world(it is just me playing it) on a dedicated server to get a decent performance, but even so my FPS is dipping down in the 15-20's in certain places of my base etc.

So you might understand that we find a bit of a waste of time to speculate in a lot of various far out things, if you only got a lowend I3 etc., Only got 32bit Java and only have 1GB allocated to the game or whatever.

 

[Drbretto]

You can rule out quite a bit everything you said with my post, though. I demonstrated that it clearly should be able to run it. If someone us going from 90 FPS to 1, you know it's something broken, not a performance issue. You absolutely know that. I'm frustrated because if I wasn't as PC literate as I am, you just would have wasted a whole lot of my time. You skipped the common sense part.

Like I said, I've been at this a month. I mentioned previously running 512x512 textures with seus shaders. We're past the " unplug your router" stage of troubleshooting. I posted here, not on the tech support forum because I wasn't interested in skipping past the simple, obvious answer.

Which I found, BTW. My optifine was broken, somehow. And even disabling it, it was still trying to load. I realized that after disabling it, but it still let me slide the viewing distance past 16, even after deleting optifine itself. Which doesn't make sense, but I deleted the entire FTB Infinity folder and started it up again, and none of the optifine options were there this time, like it should have been, and now it's running like a champ. 80ish FPS.

Thank you for putting up with my cranky, frustrated posts. Frankly, I had assumed that since Minecraft was so mod-driven an had been out long enough that all of this would have been a hundred times easier, and this whole process, on top of server setup and setting all this up for three people, on three very different PCs, frankly I'm just fed up. But, looks like I might finally get to play, at least until I have to get the server running.

 

[RealKC]

Optifine is known to not play nice with mods, so it was expected to cause issues

 

[rhn]

Well, I am glad you were able to fix the issue. (and next time please just give the basic information instead of what your interpretations how it performs. If you gave us the specs and they were fine, we could have moved on. Problem is we get hundreds of posts like this where people have way way underpowered computers, but think they are the shit)

Frankly, I had assumed that since Minecraft was so mod-driven an had been out long enough that all of this would have been a hundred times easier

Mojang seem to deliberately break mod compatibility every update they make. Modding Minecraft is very hard as each new version requires new workaround "hacks" to be developed and fixes for all the horrible bugs that crop up when the game is put under real load. That why things get more complicated when modding Minecraft, and it has not gotten any easier over the years.
As for Optifine it is directly incompatible with Forge(the basis of the FTB modpacks). Sometimes you can get it work, sort of. But most if the time it just causes a lot of problems(at least in latest MC versions).

 

[Azzanine]

It's not that optifines incompatible with forge... well it is I guess. But it's just designed to be a Vanilla rendering optimization first and foremost. ANYTHING that handles rendering in a non vanilla way will be at best ignored at worst interfere completely.
I used to use optifine back In 1.4 beta days but when it interfered with MPSes UI essentially removing it. I deemed it not worth the 5 fps it netted me.

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[KingTriaxx]

I think it's actually positive some versions require mods be re-written, since it's a good chance to clean out some of the bugs.

Optifine is okay, until the game crashes, and then there's some hideously weird things that happen. I had it on Monster for a while and it looked fine, until the game crashed and the tanks on my Railcraft tank carts vanished. Not the carts, and not the fluids, just the tanks. Disabled optifine and it was back.

 

[Azzanine]

In Vanilla you can get upwards of a 20 frame increase. But optifine toys with code mods are likely to leverage so mods negate a lot of those benefits. Especially the version of Optifine that works with mods, its got a lot of its options cut out. You have to use whatever the lite version is for it to load with forge mods.

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[KingTriaxx]

I had the ultimate version running just fine. Except for the crashes, but it wasn't optifine related that I could find.