Werewolfs of Wakkerdam game (Game Thread)

[VictiniX888]

I'm starting to suspect you and Striking are wolfs. Or at least that Striking is a wolf.

Vote Strikingwolf, you're the only one that I had told my role to and you have yet to question me about a duplicate. This leads me to think whether I'm currently the only one with the role which then should cast me off of the lynch list.

Striking was wolfkilled N1. Why would the wolves kill themselves?

Implied that the seer was directly told by Dylan of the target's role. While this,
Only served as a hint... That's awfully strange for, even more so when the rules states a seer would be told of their target's role. I checked the past posts to see if I missed anything, but there was no mention of a nerf to the seers (Only that two happens to be dead)

I also found this,
Ljfa had publicly claim wolf traitor, a role that is useful to us but harmful to the wolfs. Guess who's Striking's seer says was a wolf? Ljfa. That seer apparently said
Which hints toward ljfa being a beacon when he was clearly a traitor, as shown by the recap. Granted a forger may have hid his role to confuse the seer but now it looks more of a plan to rid the wolf team of a possible threat.

From what I understand, a seer will see a random role when scanning a wolf. Any wolf. And ljfa is the traitor. He's a wolf.
I'm pretty sure what Striking meant was that both seers saw ljfa as two diifferent roles due to the beacon, there he's a wolf. They didn't know his exact role

 

[SoraZodia]

Striking is proved to be a villager... GG Sora. GG.
vote Sora

Which I starting to doubt, recall Someone's post about Striking and Ljfa's wolfiness

Ok, so last night, I sat down for a good 30-60 minutes and worked out the implications of every possible combination of Strikingwolf's wolfiness, ljfa's revealed wolfiness, and ljfa's actual wolfiness. Remember, there's at least one Forger in this game, so the roles revealed in the recaps may not be what they seem.

1. ljfa revealed as a Villager:
   1. Striking is a Villager:
      1. ljfa is actually a Villager: The Seer that spoke to Striking is obviously a wolf. Bad play for the wolves.
      2. ljfa is actually a Wolf: The Seer looks like a wolf, but was an actual Seer who will get lynched shortly thereafter. Not a bad play for the wolves.
   2. Striking is a Wolf (his role was Forged on D1):
      1. ljfa is actually a Villager: The "Seer" looks bad, so Striking will have us lynch him next. This "seer", of course, does not actually exist (except as something the wolf Striking made up), so a random villager will be lynched, whose role will probably be forged as a Wolf. The Wolves effectively control the game at this point.
      2. ljfa is actually a Wolf: So the wolf Striking had us lynch one of his fellow wolves, yet got the Forger to cover his tracks. No idea why this would ever happen.
2. ljfa revealed as a Wolf:
   1. Striking is a Villager:
      1. ljfa is actually a Villager: The Seer (the one that told Striking to tell us to lynch ljfa) looks like an actual, village-loving Seer, but it a wolf nonetheless. He may end up controlling the entire game.
      2. ljfa is actually a Wolf: The Seer is totally legit, while the Forger is/was busy doing something else last night or the night before (making us think we lost a seer when Fraction wasn't one, perhaps?). Possible, although forging ljfa's role would've been a better play from the wolves' point of view. I think.
   2. Striking is a Wolf:
      1. ljfa is actually a Villager: The village now thinks Striking's made-up "seer" is legit, and will proceed to mislynch more villagers.
      2. ljfa is actually a Wolf: Again, why would Striking choose to have a fellow wolf lynched? If he's the Traitor, I have little doubt that he'll be wolfkilled in short order.

I'm not sure whether to classify ljfa's Traitor reveal as wolf or non-wolf, so I left both possibilities in.

For the record, I believe that ljfa is an actual wolf, and not the Traitor, for I am not a wolf, and I don't know why he would've accused me of being a wolf if he wasn't allied with the wolf team.

So what does this mean? For one thing, if Striking is an actual villager, the only way this could've been a good play from the wolves' point of view, from what I can tell, is if ljfa was a villager, which would mean that there is a fake seer running around; or, the seer is totally legit, but is framed for having us lynch a "villager" (which ljfa actually wasn't).

If, on the other hand, Striking is a reasonably intelligent, non-traitor wolf, the village is absolutely doomed if we believe what he says any longer. This is a risk I cannot allow myself to take.
Therefore, vote Strikingwolf.

Striking was wolfkilled N1. Why would the wolves kill themselves?

From what I understand, a seer will see a random role when scanning a wolf. Any wolf. And ljfa is the traitor. He's a wolf.
I'm pretty sure what Striking meant was that both seers saw ljfa as two diifferent roles due to the beacon, there he's a wolf. They didn't know his exact role

It has been done before, Pyure had once had his wolf buddies cannibalize on him to give us a false sense that he's a villager. And it nearly worked. I know that ljfa is a wolf, but one of his win condition requires him to kill off all of his wolf friends. He also had the power to kill one extra person a night.
And I misread the part about the beacon, ignore that last part of my defense.

 

[xTordX]

"He was the little girl"
You might be right but for me it just looks like you're trying to save yourself.
And the traitor is a wolf role.

 

[Strikingwolf]

That seer is so getting detention. Also that seer looks awfully suspicious to me now that two other seers are dead.

This is the second time someone had accuse me based on my avatar, the first time didn't went well in terms of decreasing the wolf count.

It was Fraction...

 

[SoraZodia]

"He was the little girl"
You might be right but for me it just looks like you're trying to save yourself.
And the traitor is a wolf role.

I know that ljfa is a wolf, but one of his win condition requires him to kill off all of his wolf friends. He also had the power to kill one extra person a night.

Considering that I feel some strings are being pulled, I'm fighting against the lynch.

 

[xTordX]

Well, MEH. I'll stay like this until further notice.

 

[Strikingwolf]

Also, the seer gets hints about the beacon every night, you need to reread the role sheet

 

[Strikingwolf]

I would also like to point out that even though ljfa was a traitor, they would want to keep the identities of the wolves hidden till the end game, thus inconveniencing the village

 

[VictiniX888]

antismite vike

 

[SoraZodia]

I would also like to point out that even though ljfa was a traitor, they would want to keep the identities of the wolves hidden till the end game, thus inconveniencing the village

There's still the extra kill, ljfa could have kill off the remaining wolves and then get started on the neutrals or make a kind of treaty that would give both him and the neutrals the win. And ljfa has pointed out on D1 that he was willing to help the villagers in winning.

Sure, and I'm the traitor and I work with the village since our win conditions intersect as well

 

[VictiniX888]

Sora's provided enough proof for me to not vote for him. He seems villagery enough. Plus he has proof.

 

[SpwnX]

I'm still in doubt.
The medic could have been tricked by the wolves (revealing to them which roles he needed to keep alive) , but this is a too weak supposition for me to follow.

Now striking's accusation depends on his villagerness, which has been doubted twice already. Even more now that his seer is dead and can not stand for him.

 

[VictiniX888]

vote pyure
bandwagoning!

 

[VikeStep]

Victini, what are you doing with these votes?

 

[VictiniX888]

Victini, what are you doing with these votes?

Voted on Pyure because I wanted Sora to live. Not that I needed to vote for him, but there's really no one better to vote for.

 

[VikeStep]

Mine was not an Antismite. I had a legitimate vote on sora.

 

[VictiniX888]

Mine was not an Antismite. I had a legitimate vote on sora.

I meant "My vote on you was an antismite". ah well

 

[VikeStep]

ok, here is the deal. The main argument in SoraZodia's defense is that Strikingwolf may be lying.

NOW, if you believe that SoraZodia is correct, then why aren't you voting for Strikingwolf?

You must either believe Sora or Striking is the wolf, if you don't think striking is the wolf then why did you not keep your vote on sorazodia?

I have a theory: Victini and SoraZodia are the wolves, if Striking is killed and flips as the little girl then that means that Sora will be killed the next day. by hopping onto someone else's wagon there is no such event caused the next day.

 

[Pyure]

ok, here is the deal. The main argument in SoraZodia's defense is that Strikingwolf may be lying.

NOW, if you believe that SoraZodia is correct, then why aren't you voting for Strikingwolf?

You must either believe Sora or Striking is the wolf, if you don't think striking is the wolf then why did you not keep your vote on sorazodia?

I have a theory: Victini and SoraZodia are the wolves, if Striking is killed and flips as the little girl then that means that Sora will be killed the next day. by hopping onto someone else's wagon there is no such event caused the next day.

I'm thinking the same way. Victini screwed up here; there's absolutely no reason from his perspective as a "villager" to want to protect sora over pyure.

 

[VikeStep]