Wait...what?

[Zaik]

Decided to try out the new TC ore "doubling" mechanic with making native clusters in an auto crucible and dumping them into an infernal furnace with 3 bellows and access to ignis. I started out by cooking 32 iron bars into metallum to fuel the auto smelter in this setup:

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Anyway, I ended up with 44 native iron clusters made from the 32 iron bars used for fuel and 44 iron ore. I thought I had come up really short compared to other methods until I ran the clusters through the infernal furnace, where I ended up with 172 iron bars and 28 nuggets instead of 88 iron bars and who knows how many nuggets.

Anyway, the question is if the infernal furnace is supposed to be giving that huge of a bonus or if something has bugged out along the way, I never really used the infernal furnace before now. A pulverizer would have gotten 88 bars, considering the 32 iron cost with this method it was an additional gain of 55 bars, meaning it slightly more than tripled after costs on that run.

 

[James_Grimm]

The Infernal Furnace is definitely supposed to be adding an additional bonus to your ore production (I think 20% roughly?) based on if you've got it fully setup (bellows + ignis), so that may be part of the discrepancy that you are noticing. But I don't think it should have actually hit triple production, I think Azanor was aiming for the 225-250% range, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

 

[Zaik]

Dunno, may have just been a really lucky run. I ran 68 iron clusters through after that and got barely more than double, then 7 gold clusters and got 26 bars.

May just be prone to high or low streaks.

 

[Bibble]

There's supposed to be some chance in there, but, as far as I know, that should only apply to the nuggets, you should always get 2x as many bars out as you put in for clusters.

As an aside, looking at that, I'm assuming that you're only burning iron, and centrifuging part of the metallum for ordo, and voiding the excess saxum? I'm assuming that nets you around 8 clusters for every 4 iron bars in (and 8 iron clusters, obviously, working at 2 aspects needed per transmutation, and each bar having 4 in total?). I only ask because I'm looking at a similar setup, but am going for chiselled stone for my ordo source (igneous extruder+aquaeos accumulator + 2 auto crafting tables, it's more bulky, but you get the ordo without sacrificing half of your iron).

Also, as I've not gotten around to using it yet, is the construct targetted (i.e. will only transmute gold when you say so), or will it act on any ore you put into it? Can I have just one setup for all of my ores?

 

[Zaik]

There's supposed to be some chance in there, but, as far as I know, that should only apply to the nuggets, you should always get 2x as many bars out as you put in for clusters.

As an aside, looking at that, I'm assuming that you're only burning iron, and centrifuging part of the metallum for ordo, and voiding the excess saxum? I'm assuming that nets you around 8 clusters for every 4 iron bars in (and 8 iron clusters, obviously, working at 2 aspects needed per transmutation, and each bar having 4 in total?). I only ask because I'm looking at a similar setup, but am going for chiselled stone for my ordo source (igneous extruder+aquaeos accumulator + 2 auto crafting tables, it's more bulky, but you get the ordo without sacrificing half of your iron).

Also, as I've not gotten around to using it yet, is the construct targetted (i.e. will only transmute gold when you say so), or will it act on any ore you put into it? Can I have just one setup for all of my ores?

I was centrifuging metallum to ordo/saxum when I posted, but since then I moved to having a glacial precipitator dumping ice into a furnace on the other side and centrifuging gelum into ordo/aqua. It's probably much easier to do than chiseled stone, though the precipitator does still need power and water.

And no, I was getting two bars at a time, but I seem to get two bars at a time for a lot longer than I should. I was guessing that the bonus was just giving more than a full bar of nuggets so it just rolled them up and spit it out as a full bar after it was done smelting stuff.

Edit: I believe the construct has to be targeted. I just built the matrices and stuck it on there, but I haven't actually tried it yet. When switching without, you have to unclick the old recipe and then change it to the new one manually, so I'm guessing it won't work but we'll see. Might end up having to make one setup for every single kind of native cluster, which would be a huge pain.

 

[YX33A]

When I see the words "Wait, what?" all that goes through my head is "*SLAP* 'Shitty Wizard!' " these days.

And I thought the benefit of using those native ore clusters wasn't so much the extra nuggets(which you get regardless) but was when you send them through a infernal furnace they output triple ingots and extra nuggets where as simply running a ore block through got you double ingots and some nuggets...

Plus the benefit of cooking up chickun, feesh, and POOARK and making triple meat treats...

 

[James_Grimm]

The Infernal Furnace as far as I am aware, is not supposed to double ingots from regular ore on it's own, it's supposed to output the same amount of ingots as a vanilla furnace. It's supposed to provide the bonus in the form of nuggets. I believe that is also supposed to be the pattern for native clusters (same amount of ingots as a cluster in a regular furnace, plus nuggets). That's how it worked in 4.05b and I tested it out myself, when I was playing on my last world. The advantage of the IF as far as I'm aware was that it's basically free smelting (no fuel), and gives a moderate bonus to the output if you trick it out with the extras.

If it's not doing that, I would check the thauminomicon to see if the infernal furnace entry has been changed. It's possible Azanor changed his mind, but I don't think that he did in this case, because I'm fairly sure Ako/Dire/Etc. would have mentioned it in one of their videos.

 

[Zaik]

Just back to post that with the 3 mnemonic matrices attached you can use one setup for every native cluster automatically, though space is very very tight for everything. Seems that non thaumcraft stuff can attach to the top front, but thaumcraft stuff cannot.

Just make sure to set every recipe up before hand and turn them on and you can just dump any of the ores in and it will be sorted out on it's own.