The good, the bad, and the bees
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I've never really delved into Extra Bees before, so I was not aware of that.
Having said that, you *might* get away with them for mutation purposes. After all, ignoble drones don't pass along that trait to the queen, so you simply have a stable princess of whatever you crossbreed the enderbees into with an ender drone. It'll take a bit of luck, sure, but you've at least got a chance.
Not just ExtraBees. "Vanilla" Forestry has species that require Ender Bees to breed.
This is an entertaining idea... If pristine can be isolated that would cause most of this trouble to go away
Seriously? Man, I need to do some more research then. Looks like I'm way out of date.
But makes Forestry rely on an add-on to "work".
They're in a brand new branch that was added in 1.5.
It's not on the FTB Wiki. That only shows viable crossings from Resilient (which comes from Rockey), Glittering (which also comes from the ore bee line), Emerald (same line, only if you have Gtech), Relic (which comes from the Prehistoric line, and only if you are Jadedcat), and Esoteric.
There's the Phantasmal Bee and Spectral Bee.
Contrary to prior experiences, the Official FTB Wiki's bee information is actually more up-to-date than FTBWiki's.
That bee would make an epic trap with it in a jar and dispensers full of the mob drops XD
If you can actually breed the thing. You'd probably run out of ender bees before you get half way.
Phantasmal and Spectral Bees only produce Mysterious Combs, which only really produce ender pearls as its unique resource. I don't see any reason to breed them when I can set up an Ender Grinder instead for unlimited enderpearls.
Spectral Bee's Effect is Reanimation. Direwolf demonstrated the effect by tossing a bone on the ground next to the Alveary. The bone instantly turned into a live skeleton.
Phantasmal Bee's Effect is called Resurrection. The flavor text hints at not dropping a Dragon Egg next to it.
I think you can imagine what kind of uses these things would have.
Not really. Skele grinder is dead simple to set up, even in vanilla minecraft, same with a zombie grinder. So the reanimation effect is kinda 'meh' at best.Spectral Bee's Effect is Reanimation. Direwolf demonstrated the effect by tossing a bone on the ground next to the Alveary. The bone instantly turned into a live skeleton.
Phantasmal Bee's Effect is called Resurrection. The flavor text hints at not dropping a Dragon Egg next to it.
I think you can imagine what kind of uses these things would have.
For the Phantasmal Bee effect, why? You use up the egg in exchange for re-summoning the EnderDragon. Net sum zero. Unless you just like fighting the EnderDragon over and over again for no gain, there's no real point to it.
Sometimes you want precision control over how many mobs you summon--i.e. traps, arena challenges, etc. Since spawn eggs are unobtainable in Survival (to the best of my knowledge), these bees are the next best thing. :wink:
Could say the same for ALL bees. Not needing something isn't a reason to nerf it.
Really easy EXP? Ender dragon is a piece of cake to beat with a huge EXP gain from it. Also, with thaumbees, you can mass manufacture dragon eggs, so you could also potentionally use it to grief.
There's a reason for EXP anymore? TiCo put the enchanting table and anvil out of business long ago. Using it to grief is a reason to avoid having the effect.
Other bees provide different resources that have various uses. By the time you get to Spectral Bees, you already have grinders set up. Besides, bones aren't really a particularly valuable resource, neither are arrows and bows. A zombie grinder at least has the benefit of providing a slow but sure source of iron, but by the time you get Spectral bees, if that was a concern, you'd either have rusty bees or you'd have an Iron Golem farm set up.Could say the same for ALL bees. Not needing something isn't a reason to nerf it.
Yes, but the ability to bring things back from the dead is still cool.
Plus, there's plenty of alternatives to all other bees too. A laser drill or quarry can outproduce the entire metallic branch for a lot less effort. Grinders replace all Mob Drop bees. Can just pump lava directly from the nether instead of bothering to breed Demonic Bees for phosphorous. Etc...
Having an alternative to something doesn't justify nerfing it, or even removing it entirely. What's the point of a modpack if there's only One True Choice?
I just don't see the point.
XP is pointless with TiCo making the enchanting table and anvil obsolete. I have zero need for arrows, bones, rotten flesh, string, or spider eyes. For the skele drops, I have a TiCo bow with TiCo arrows, which are far superior, and I have zero use for bonemeal. I have Cotton from Natura to bring me string, assuming the first abandoned mineshaft I break into doesn't overload me with it while trying to disable the cave spider spawners. The only thing useful out of a mob grinder is iron from the zombies, and even there it is slow enough that I'll just find alternate methods. Oreberry Bushes would be faster than a zombie grinder.
The only reason I can think to use this effect would be griefing, which is something that should be discouraged, in my opinion.