Storing Liquid Metal in Iron Tanks

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Dex Luther

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So I was experimenting and thought that storing massive amounts of metal in liquid form might be a cool/unique way. Everyone's done the Barrel/Chest/AE storage to death.

I set up a smeltery, and 4 iron tanks: 1 tank for molten copper, one for liquid tin, one for liquid iron, and the last one remained empty.

I placed liquiducts from a drain to the valves on 3 of the tanks. One at a time I melted down Copper, Tin, and Iron and flipped a switch I set up to drain the liquid out and into the tanks.

Next I connected the 4th tank via liquiduct and added lots of Copper and Tin to the smeltery. When it was all melted, I had some bronze and a lot of copper. This was a perfect test. I flipped the switch expecting the bronze to find it's way to the empty tank, and then the copper would empty out (that's how it was layered).

What actually happened was the bronze drained out and just sat in the duct. I checked the tank to make sure nothing else had snuck in. The tanks was empty, and for some reason the bronze didn't want to pour in.

I ripped the ducts up and tried experimenting with logistics pipes. I previously had success requesting liquid copper and tin using the logistics liquid provider pipes. I placed a wooden waterproof pipe on the drain with an autarchic gate to energy pulse on a redstone signal. Connected to that I put a liquid connector pipe and then a liquid insertion pipe.

The problem seems to be the wooden waterproof pipe won't draw from the drain at all. I assume this is because either the pipe and/or drain doesn't know what the other one is. Often all it takes is a config setting change to have things behave, but I can't find one.

Anyone know if I'm just missing the config setting, or if it just doesn't work, or a work around if there's no other choice?
 

Azzanine

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The TiC Manual says you can use other liquid sotrage but it wasn't advised. Maybe this is why.
 

netmc

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It's probably because the liquid metals although understood by the smeltery, are not registered with forge. Take a look at NEI and look at the liquid registry. I bet the only metals you can store in tanks are in the liquid registry.
 

Dex Luther

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It's probably because the liquid metals although understood by the smeltery, are not registered with forge. Take a look at NEI and look at the liquid registry. I bet the only metals you can store in tanks are in the liquid registry.

The liquid metals do seem to register as liquids. They work in portable tanks and I can manually put them in Iron Tanks, and there's buckets of them. Then there's this, which would seem to indicate that the drain is the problem.
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Democretes

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It turns out that the drain acts as a wooden pipe for the smeltery except it only works going down.
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[DOUBLEPOST=1376398834][/DOUBLEPOST]It would also seem you can extract from a basin.
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Democretes

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It's not just for the smeltery :p. You can use them to even pour steam from a boiler into steam engines.

Even cooler idea, how about use smelteries as liquid storage?

It'd be neat, but the smelteries don't hold all that much compared to other liquid storages. That and you could only build it vertically.
 

PierceSG

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Now...my next project. Build lots of 9*9*8 Steel Tanks and fill them all up with molten metal!
 

Malexion

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This works if you connect pipes right to the drains, however there is A LOT of liquid loss if you use logi-pipes this is a simple liquid request setup.
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Dex Luther

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The system I managed to set up now extracts all the liquid metal. Everything seems fine. There does seem to be a LOT of loss like Malexion said when trying to add the liquid back into the smeltery.

It's like tons of those Logistics liquid capsules are just thrown out into the void somewhere. Requesting 3000 of a liquid, which if I remember correctly is in milli-buckets(mB) and should be 3 buckets, shows up in the smeltery as 120mB or 20 ingots. Often requesting another 3000 won't show up in the smeltery at all.
 

Malexion

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I've posted the issue on mdiyo's forum page, and he pointed me to logi pipes so ill see about getting it worked out.

I would really love to make a request/storage system with logi pipes. Would lead to easy mixing of alloys if liquid transfers get sorted out.

So its either capsule loss, or incorrect transfer ratios.

I have also noticed that when pipeing out the liquid into a railcraft tank the ratio for each ingot seems to be 144mb? So I have no idea whats going on.
 

Dex Luther

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I've posted the issue on mdiyo's forum page, and he pointed me to logi pipes so ill see about getting it worked out.

I would really love to make a request/storage system with logi pipes. Would lead to easy mixing of alloys if liquid transfers get sorted out.

So its either capsule loss, or incorrect transfer ratios.

I have also noticed that when pipeing out the liquid into a railcraft tank the ratio for each ingot seems to be 144mb? So I have no idea whats going on.

Sounds like incorrect unit conversion.

And I had the same idea about logi-pipe alloy mixing:

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Another issue I've noticed with trying to abuse the system like this, is that sometimes a small amount of metal will get stuck in the smelter. Since it's not enough to pour into a block, it won't drain into the basin. It won't seem to drain anywhere else either.

EDIT: How many millibuckets are there supposed to be in an ingot?
 

Malexion

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I always thought it was 1000mb to a an ingot, logically it makes things a little easier but who knows.

The ratio I got after messing with railcraft tanks was 144mb per ingot, so I really have no idea, I can't find anything about it on mdyio's forum entry either.
 

Dex Luther

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I always thought it was 1000mb to a an ingot, logically it makes things a little easier but who knows.

The ratio I got after messing with railcraft tanks was 144mb per ingot, so I really have no idea, I can't find anything about it on mdyio's forum entry either.

so 1 bucket = 1 ingot

I had 13 ingots worth of Molten Bronze in the smelter, and just added 3000mB more using logistics pipes. It went from 13 ingots to 33, so something is wrong with the math somewhere.

Funny thing is there's some tin in there, so I wanted to add 3000mB Copper, but it completely vanished on me.
 

ArcticDreamz

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When you check your TiC manual and the NEI recipes , you see that one ingot is worth 144 mB of molten metal
 

Malexion

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OH...well now I just feel a lil dumb.

Now we just need logi pipes to work properly on insertion and transit.