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elkillo

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ok so ive looked and i cant find it anywhere, what is the durabilty of steel tools and armour, compared to diamond?
ive looked on google and forums posts and found out nothing. even the railcraft wiki says nothing about it.
 

Daemonblue

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Well if you're using the Mindcrack pack and hence have gregtech, why bother making them into tools and not just make the drill and chainsaw? They never break, you just have to recharge them.

As for the armor, I'm not too certain myself, but really there are better and easier armors to get: it's relatively easy to get a full quantum set before a blast furnace with GT since you can use rubies instead of diamonds.

So the main concern would really be their enchantability which is taken care of with Thaumium tools which are highly enchantable and can work on the same stuff as diamonds and, after you get four of them to feed the cycle, can be produced with 8 nuggets (4 thaumium + 8 nuggets = 5 thaumium).

Basically, there are much better and easier things to get than steel tools when you take those factors into consideration, but as for your question, I sadly also cannot find the answer.
 

elkillo

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sry im using the direwolf 20 pack, and while yes drills dont break they cant be enchanted so i use them from clearing stone. for ores i use fortune picks.
a diamond drill only works like maybe an efficacy 2 diamond pick if i get efficacy 5 ill mine a hell of alot faster.

as for armour ok so ill just build nano then =P
though if steel armour is good ill enchant is for even better protection.
 

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sry im using the direwolf 20 pack, and while yes drills dont break they cant be enchanted so i use them from clearing stone. for ores i use fortune picks.
a diamond drill only works like maybe an efficacy 2 diamond pick if i get efficacy 5 ill mine a hell of alot faster.

as for armour ok so ill just build nano then =P

Technically.. it is possible to enchant tools with enchanting books... although some see it as an exploit.
 

elkillo

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well that is a really big exploit i now have an eff-5 drill. i would still like to know the answer to my question so that i can know it for the future. =P
 

Daemonblue

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Yea, the enchanted drills are a fairly big issue, and the ruby thing I believe is only if you have Gregtech installed, otherwise you'll need a diamond for each armor piece. That said, diamonds are fairly easy to get with a fortune pick and hitting both diamond and coal veins with it, since you can turn a stack of coal into a diamond. Personally I prefer doing that over making coal coke since coal coke is really just a longer lasting fuel while diamonds are fricken diamonds!

Edit: Another note, without the recipe that lets you replace diamonds with rubies for Energy crystals you'll also need a diamond for the MFE to charge your armor, so a full set of quantum armor would be 5 diamonds iirc (one for MFE, 4 for the armor set), but it's rechargeable and won't break.
 

Zelfana

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Steel is pretty much right in the middle of iron and diamond. And since one iron equals one steel there is no point to use any iron tools or armor. Iron tools have about 250 uses, steel has 800 and diamond 1500. Enchanting is the same as iron which is just a tad better than diamond. I would definitely recommend getting a steel pickaxe for Fortune III at least, you can keep repairing it with the anvil for quite a while. If you have Unbreaking III on it you will get 2400 ores Fortune'd with it which is already so much that you won't probably need another one too soon.

Diamond is still better if you can afford them. Maybe trade with blacksmith villagers for diamond tools and armor.
 
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elkillo

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thanks zelfana you actually answered my question =D. so it is a good idea to use a enchanted steel pick, i sadly despite all the resources i have have had no luck on diamond =p
 

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Well if you're using the Mindcrack pack and hence have gregtech, why bother making them into tools and not just make the drill and chainsaw? They never break, you just have to recharge them.

As for the armor, I'm not too certain myself, but really there are better and easier armors to get: it's relatively easy to get a full quantum set before a blast furnace with GT since you can use rubies instead of diamonds.

So the main concern would really be their enchantability which is taken care of with Thaumium tools which are highly enchantable and can work on the same stuff as diamonds and, after you get four of them to feed the cycle, can beproduced with 8 nuggets (4 thaumium + 8 nuggets = 5 thaumium).

Basically, there are much better and easier things to get than steel tools when you take those factors into consideration, but as for your question, I sadly also cannot find the answer.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think nuggets actually have aspects anymore, more or less for this exact reason. Is that correct?
Of course that just means you throw in iron bars instead. (Any other metal, and you'll end up releasing an extra aspect as flux.)
 

Daemonblue

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Nope, it's simply a problem with the lexicon. The nuggets you get from breaking down the ingots are RP2 nuggets now, which don't have the aspects. If you use the Forge Lexicon to convert them into TC3 nuggets (like you would get from the arcane furnace) they have the aspect on them. This is actually why the only ones that you can convert normally from ingots that still have the aspect are gold nuggets, since RP2 doesn't have a specific ingot for gold (yet it does for iron for some reason).

Edit: Also, this is caused by Gregtech's oreunificator config file, though I don't know how it changed between Mindcrack v6 and v7 to cause this problem.
 

ItharianEngineering

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Steel is pretty much right in the middle of iron and diamond. And since one iron equals one steel there is no point to use any iron tools or armor. Iron tools have about 250 uses, steel has 800 and diamond 1500. Enchanting is the same as iron which is just a tad better than diamond. I would definitely recommend getting a steel pickaxe for Fortune III at least, you can keep repairing it with the anvil for quite a while. If you have Unbreaking III on it you will get 2400 ores Fortune'd with it which is already so much that you won't probably need another one too soon.

Diamond is still better if you can afford them. Maybe trade with blacksmith villagers for diamond tools and armor.

This is wrong. Steel tools have 500 durability, not 800. If you press F3 + H it will actually allow to see the number based durability on all items, including IC2 tools, RP2 batteries, and other things.
 

Zelfana

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This is wrong. Steel tools have 500 durability, not 800. If you press F3 + H it will actually allow to see the number based durability on all items, including IC2 tools, RP2 batteries, and other things.
Oh okay, just pulled the number from memory. Don't have RailCraft available right now.

Btw, the IC2 items' durability doesn't tell much else besides the percentage of charge on the item. 27 durability is full and 2 is empty so 1 durability equals 4% of total. The total doesn't show without NEI so it isn't too useful, only visual aid.
 

ItharianEngineering

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Oh okay, just pulled the number from memory. Don't have RailCraft available right now.

Btw, the IC2 items' durability doesn't tell much else besides the percentage of charge on the item. 27 durability is full and 2 is empty so 1 durability equals 4% of total. The total doesn't show without NEI so it isn't too useful, only visual aid.
You're right about that, but it is useful for Redpower 2's batteries. Shows the charge value as durability out of 1500. Good for measuring how much power a system uses.