Running RotaryCraft Extractors by stage?

[Azzanine]

Not sure where you are on the progression line but a single gas turbine with a diamond 2:1 set to speed or an 8:1 gearbox set to torque should whipp through all the stages. Then again I'm not sure how easy one of those are to build and the infastructure needed for jetfuel. Also you need to be mindful of Gas turbines, one stray chicken in your factory could ruin your engine, maybe even factory.

Edit: Also don't get hung up on the wattage; For instance a Microturbine has theoretically more then enough power to run an extractor but becasue it produces little to no torque there's no gear ratio that will let a one power an extractor alone.

 

[Reika]

becasue it produces little to no torque there's no gear ratio that will let a one power an extractor alone.

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[Azzanine]

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Am I wrong?
The Micro turbine only has 16 nm of torque and there's no ratio gearbox ratio to meet the stage 1 torque without going below the stage 3 speed requirement.
Either that or I don't understand how gearboxes convert rad/s to torque. I'm under the impression that if say you used a 2:1 gearbox it cuts one value in half to double the value of the other depending on what mode the gearbox is in.

 

[Pyure]

Am I wrong?
The Micro turbine only has 16 nm of torque and there's no ratio gearbox ratio to meet the stage 1 torque without going below the stage 3 speed requirement.
Either that or I don't understand how gearboxes convert rad/s to torque. I'm under the impression that if say you used a 2:1 gearbox it cuts one value in half to double the value of the other depending on what mode the gearbox is in.

Technically there's now a high ratio gearbox (256:1), but even if there wasn't, you can simply use two gear boxes. In the case of the microturbine, a CVT alone would be enough (16*32=512), but if you don't have a CVT yet, running it through a 16:1 and then a 2:1 will suffice (or an 8:1 and 4:1, you get the picture).

 

[Reika]

I'm under the impression that if say you used a 2:1 gearbox it cuts one value in half to double the value of the other depending on what mode the gearbox is in.

This is correct, but:

Technically there's now a high ratio gearbox (256:1), but even if there wasn't, you can simply use two gear boxes. In the case of the microturbine, a CVT alone would be enough (16*32=512), but if you don't have a CVT yet, running it through a 16:1 and then a 2:1 will suffice (or an 8:1 and 4:1, you get the picture).

 

[trajing]

This is correct, but:

That's nice to be confirmed. I generally just threw power at it, considering my base is made on renewable energy.

 

[Azzanine]

This is correct, but:

Technically there's now a high ratio gearbox (256:1), but even if there wasn't, you can simply use two gear boxes. In the case of the microturbine, a CVT alone would be enough (16*32=512), but if you don't have a CVT yet, running it through a 16:1 and then a 2:1 will suffice (or an 8:1 and 4:1, you get the picture).

Wont that gimp the speed to the point where the extractor can't function through all stages without some sort of complicated redstone control mechanism? I'm talking about whacking one engine down and how the microturbine has copious amount of wattage but due to it's low torque it isn't able to run all 4 stages of an extractor alone with no funny business of switching gear modes (automatically or otherwise).

At a 256:1 ratio the speed becomes 512 rad/s and at 512:1 it becomes 256 (less then a steam engine). Way too slow for any stage of the extractor, and also unless I'm mistaken the extra torque doesn't seem to make the extractor run faster. Operation speed is determined by rad/s only, right? (it might depend on the machine, I don't know)
The micro turbine could blister through stage 2 and 3 though as they don't seem to have torque requirements but it just can't get through stage 1 and 4 without going super slow.
And that's why I told OP not to get hung up on the wattage, it's not the determining factor as to whether an engine can run a machine smoothly. You need to look at their specific torque/ speed requirements.

 

[Reika]

Operation speed is determined by rad/s only, right?

Correct; logarithmically, base 2.

 

[jokermatt999]

Correct; logarithmically, base 2.

Is torque ever relevant to speed, our is it just a simple will work/won't work type thing?

 

[Pyure]

Lemme try to help this bit by bit

Wont that gimp the speed to the point where the extractor can't function through all stages without some sort of complicated redstone control mechanism?

Depends what the overall power of your source is. But just to be clear, nearly everyone these days uses a very simple mechanism to flip a CVT constantly between two stages: 1 for "minimum torque" and one for "pure unalderated speed". (You can argue for three stages, for 256 nm torque, but whatever.)

I'm talking about whacking one engine down and how the microturbine has copious amount of wattage but due to it's low torque it isn't able to run all 4 stages of an extractor alone with no funny business of switching gear modes (automatically or otherwise).

At a 256:1 ratio the speed becomes 512 rad/s and at 512:1 it becomes 256 (less then a steam engine).

The 256:1 ratio was an example of a higher-ratio gear. It would not apply to your specific micro-turbine scenario: a CVT would be best, and its very configurable with redstone signals.

Way too slow for any stage of the extractor

I think you already know this, but just for clarification, keep in mind that only 2 stages have "minimum speed". The stages with "minimum torque" could be run at 1 rad/s. Which would not be fun for reasons you've observed.

The micro turbine could blister through stage 2 and 3 though as they don't seem to have torque requirements but it just can't get through stage 1 and 4 without going super slow.

Right. This engine, while very nice, does not provide enough overall power to produce high speeds at minimum torque (on the extractor).

And that's why I told OP not to get hung up on the wattage, it's not the determining factor as to whether an engine can run a machine smoothly. You need to look at their specific torque/ speed requirements.

Close but a bit off. Since speed is a function of power(Wattage) and torque, the more power you get, the more speed you (can) get. Hence, running your extractor with a Gas Turbine is a much more pleasant experience than running it on the microturbine. Once you gear the gas turbine to perfect "minimum torque" for stages 1 and 4, it blisters through stacks of ore like nobody's business.[DOUBLEPOST=1401588014][/DOUBLEPOST]

Is torque ever relevant to speed, our is it just a simple will work/won't work type thing?

Sorry if this information is wrong, but I seem to recall that the compressor machine, which makes diamonds out of coal, functions faster with huge piles of torque.

 

[Reika]

Is torque ever relevant to speed, our is it just a simple will work/won't work type thing?

Not directly, but some machines build other things like pressure as functions of torque.