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VapourDrive

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They could shut down the servers putting out the data for previous game versions. It would be illegal to host them elsewhere (community based) and would be easily justified by mojang. Then we would literally be stuck on 1.8. Now we may still have older instances up and running in offline mode but no servers and new people wouldn't even be able to give them a go.
 

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What's so confusing about my going over of our positioning for if Mojang gets all legal on us for staying on a better version?
As much as I understand the 'call to arms' mentality, I can't help but think this has the potential for drama.
 
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xyzzy75

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They could shut down the servers putting out the data for previous game versions.

After they spent weeks getting as many community sourced Alpha and Indev builds that they could possibly dig up to add to their own launcher, which allows you to play almost any version of Minecraft? I just don't see it happening. I'll check back in 9-12 months to take the temperature on the whole "Mojasoft is inherently evil and out to ruin the community" thing. In the meantime I'll just assume that Microsoft wants Mojang to retain its market value so as not to lose money on the acquisition. Because, you know, economics.
 

1SDAN

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I think if anything, an official modded version would take some pressure off Mojang as they wouldn't need to worry about ruining mods.
 
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VapourDrive

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Imagine this as a news article heading: "Large Percent of Minecraft Community Boycotts Latest Version"
The article could be something as follows:
Server data from the now Microsoft-owned company Mojang has recently shown data analysts that the latest version of Minecraft to hit the player base - 1.8 - is largely being ignored by players. The game's previous version - 1.7.10 - remains in the lead for total weekly downloads and game launches per day. This is likely a sign that players are not eager to support recent developments, namely the acquisition by Microsoft, and the game changes that have resulted. With the general feel being that Microsoft puts more effort into their console development, might this mean a version lock for PC?

This is a completely fake article that I quickly threw together but it is an example of how the media twists things (no game changes have happened as a result of the microsoft purchase, yet they now look like they've ruined our game).
 
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Dorque

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Imagine this as a news article heading: "Large Percent of Minecraft Community Boycotts Latest Version"
The article could be something as follows:
Server data from the now Microsoft-owned company Mojang has recently shown data analysts that the latest version of Minecraft to hit the player base - 1.8 - is largely being ignored by players. The game's previous version - 1.7.10 - remains in the lead for total weekly downloads and game launches per day. This is likely a sign that players are not eager to support recent developments, namely the acquisition by Microsoft, and the game changes that have resulted. With the general feel being that Microsoft puts more effort into their console development, might this mean a version lock for PC?

This is a completely fake article that I quickly threw together but it is an example of how the media twists things (no game changes have happened as a result of the microsoft purchase, yet they now look like they've ruined our game).
That one would be patently untrue, though; 1.8 isn't being largely ignored. We don't represent an especially large portion of the playerbase, even putting the consoles aside, and I'm sure many of us have at least downloaded and sampled 1.8.

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Antaioz

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That one would be patently untrue, though; 1.8 isn't being largely ignored. We don't represent an especially large portion of the playerbase, even putting the consoles aside, and I'm sure many of us have at least downloaded and sampled 1.8.

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I downloaded 1.8, played for 2 seconds, realised I had no NEI, then went back to my modded world. ahh, mods.

I also think the modding community is actually larger than people believe, it's just that most of it is silent.
 
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Random drama generator: Nobody give the idea to SethBling, please; there will be hundreds of rows of command blocks and resource pack files ...

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If you are looking at older versions of minecraft, there was a snapshot between 1.2.5 and 1.3 that had almost all of the 1.3 features but still a separate single player and multiplayer; an MCP build was made for that version.

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I think the PR nightmare for Microsoft if they tried anything like this would get them to reverse it almost immediately.

As for the memory overhead: multicore systems can use CMS, which is "at the same time" garbage collection. Low-end systems will still have this problem. But ...

Well, low-end systems have been dropped as Minecraft's requirements have gone up. That's kinda the norm. Should the system be designed better? Probably. Will it get fixed/improved? Maybe.
 

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That one would be patently untrue, though; 1.8 isn't being largely ignored. We don't represent an especially large portion of the playerbase, even putting the consoles aside, and I'm sure many of us have at least downloaded and sampled 1.8.

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Which is a part of the reason that any talk of locking people out of old versions of the game is just silly. Mojang themselves are offering old versions back to Alpha on the launcher. Anyone spamming bone-meal on this "version lockout" farm really needs to just stop. Please, just stop. Its completely illogical.
 

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Which is a part of the reason that any talk of locking people out of old versions of the game is just silly. Mojang themselves are offering old versions back to Alpha on the launcher. Anyone spamming bone-meal on this "version lockout" farm really needs to just stop. Please, just stop. Its completely illogical.
But we don't know what Microsofts stance on this is.
 

Wagon153

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Microsoft won't do that. As long as they are making a profit they don't care who plays what. Look at piracy. Google "cracked Windows 7". Microsoft could do more to stop piracy of their software, but they make plenty of money off the people who pay for it.
When you see them enforce their copyright, it's because they lose it if they don't occasionally exercise their lawyers.
 

RedBoss

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But we don't know what Microsofts stance on this is.
We do know if we look at it objectively and logically. Mojang has offered updates to paid accounts from the game's inception. Its an intrinsic advantage that we enjoy. Microsoft gains nothing but negative publicity by changing that system. Absolutely nothing. Especially since per Mojang precedent, every update from alpha to current versions have been considered the same game.

Look at it from a business perspective. That's simple for me since that's my major and sales is what I do. Microsoft will make the lion's share of future revenue from intellectual property sales based on Minecraft. Merchandising will keep them flush with cash. I won't be surprised if there's a tiny plastic Steve in happy meals pretty soon. The folks selling replica diamond tools on Etsy & ebay have more to worry about from Microjang than we do.

Secondly, in game micro-transactions are the new hotness for game revenue. I think we'll see a lot of that in relation to the Realms server system. It makes sense to me due to the kerfluffle with pay to play servers and the EULA. Add mobile devices and console platforms into the mix, and the PC side is far smaller factor in terms of future revenue and thus less susceptible to a version block change.

What it boils down to is there doesn't seem to be a clear cut way to derive revenue from blocking people out of old versions of the game. By precedent, everyone who's paid for Minecraft from inception to the day of this post has essentially paid for Minecraft's iterations current and past. Also most of those versions lack Realms access anyway, which is the clear cut way to establish revenue streams going forward for hosting services. Just chill out with the blocking old versions thing. It doesn't hold any water in business terms other than generating negative publicity.
 
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1SDAN

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This statement seems to imply that Mojang currently worries and/or has worried in the past about ruining mods. I don't think that that is true.

Very true, I guess it'd be more appropriate to say it'd allow them to not even care about mods and stuff anymore (In the off chance they don't already)