Question about Chestnut and Walnut Trees.

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PoisonWolf

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Right now I'm doing the apiarist pipe/autarchic gate method of automation. I can sit and afk for a bit, and it does seem to help. I'm judging cycles by how many drones I'm seeing show up in my chest next to the apiary because I know the fertility rate of the bees in them.

Like I said, I just wish these numbers were more clear. Giving us numbers on the wiki is great, but it means nothing when there's no context for them.

Maybe someone else has figured it out and can chime in? I'm *guessing* the mutation rate is per bee cycle. So every bee cycle, you have a 15% chance of getting a silver lime from an oak and birch. The other 85% is divided between no mutation (a large percentage, I think), and a hybrid mutation.

By the way, when you put everything in an XYXYXY formation, are you leaving any blocks between them or are they on top of each other? I was worried about doing it that way, so I have them about 4 blocks apart (3 empty blocks in between each)

I'll try to clear a few things up using my experiences in tree breeding so far.

1) To improve the mutation rate or breeding rate in general, only three factors will help. First is increasing the density of leaf blocks of the two target trees. Some trees have more leaf blocks than others naturally (e.g., Apple Oak vs. the abundant Ebony tree saplings). So if you want to say breed apple oak trees with the ebony tree, you'll probably want to plant 4 apple oaks to 1 ebony tree saplings to square out the leaf blocks on each side. The second factor to increase breeding rate is the number of bees you have in the area. I have 6 apiaries going right next to each other in a straight line. They are looped. The more bees you have looping and the more leaf blocks are available, the faster leaf blocks will be bred. From my experience, you never need more than 4x of a single tree. So at best, you'll do 4x of Tree A, and 4x of Tree B. The only exception to this rule is the Balsa which has incredibly few leaf blocks (i.e., average of 5 leaf blocks per tree). The third is the pollination trait. You want to get the maximum pollination trait to maximize tree breeding rates.

2) Alvearies do not increase breeding rate. They only increase the range of the bees for tree breeding. I consider this to be a con because it increases the chance of bees breeding leaf blocks that you may not want.

3) Based on my observations, I do not get the sense that mutation rate is "per bee cycle". Because this implies that leaf blocks are converted per bee cycle, and you clearly do not see this. I think what the % means is that when you DO get a leaf block that is successfully bred/pollinated, then you have a % chance to have it mutated. Otherwise, it'll just turn into a hybrid of tree A/tree B.

4) There are no traits that increase fruit maturation from what I can tell. The first trait, sapling, impacts the rate of you getting a sapling when the leaf block naturally vanishes/decomposes after harvesting the wood of the tree. The yield trait impacts the chance of you getting a product of the leaf block, if any (e.g., chestnut). Sappiness, from what I've seen, is related to some biogas thingy that's not related to fruit maturation. So unfortunately, this thing will simply take time. However, even my fully-modified chestnut tree, after waiting for all the blocks to fully mature, gave me 9x64 chestnuts. That is a lot of chestnuts. Just know that leaf block maturation is timer-based. So if you plant a field of chestnuts....it may lag as all the timers are keeping track of each individual leaf block until it matures.

5) Breed one tree at a time. It'll make things much easier.

6) Use a chunkloader if you're not in the area.

I won't write more about going into strategies for modifying tree traits, etc. If you have specific questions about that, I'd be glad to answer them.

Hope this helps!
 

Golrith

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Tree breeding is definatley a lot easier when on a server, compared to single player, as once you have your bees automated, those trees will keep cross polinating 24/7.

I'm not doing tree breeding that serious, but in the last few days I have silver lime, cherry, chestnut and bull pine. I think tonight I'll be chopping down all my trees, replant cherry and chestnut to get tomorrow the sweet chestnut.

It's also a lot easier with the Thaumium Grafter with Repair enchant on it, saves wasting a ton of copper on bronze ingots.
 

loboca

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By the way, when you put everything in an XYXYXY formation, are you leaving any blocks between them or are they on top of each other? I was worried about doing it that way, so I have them about 4 blocks apart (3 empty blocks in between each)

Just as another tip, bees only pollinate in a 7x7 or 9x9 area, I'd put apiaries every 2 trees or so to help with the possibility of pollination. And what is the pollination stat on your bees, that's going to affect your chances as well I'd think.

Edit: Eh, or just read Poisonwolf's post, heh.
 
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LittleMike

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I did some playing around today and managed to get myself a cherry tree! I feel accomplished. Haha.

I see now what you're saying about the percentage rate, and I think you're right. I think pollination will determine the speed at which you get a mutated leaf block and the "mutation" percentage rate is what percent that block will be the new tree versus a hybrid. I got a LOT of hybrids before I got cherry. The rate that I got mutated leaves, though, stayed the same from what I could determine.

Next I'll work on getting specific traits, but that seems like it's going to take a lot of toying around and a lot of time.[DOUBLEPOST=1373693580][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh sappiness, by the way, is how much biomass the saplings will yield in a fermenter. Sengir had said he was nerfing vanilla trees, so you needed to breed higher sappiness trees to keep your biofuel run boilers going :p
 

LittleMike

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Just as another tip, bees only pollinate in a 7x7 or 9x9 area, I'd put apiaries every 2 trees or so to help with the possibility of pollination. And what is the pollination stat on your bees, that's going to affect your chances as well I'd think.

Edit: Eh, or just read Poisonwolf's post, heh.

That's my biggest concern - the range of the bees. By default, most bees are about 3-4 blocks away on either side of an apiary (4 + apiary block plus 4 = 9 in the 9x6x9 range in beealyzer) Not sure how you get 6, though. 2 up and 2 down would be 5. 3 up and 3 down would be 7. It's got to be an odd number. *shrug* Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks for the help.