QCraft: Get all the diamonds.

[EpicEraser]

I installed the new version of Unleashed, to check out QCraft
In the first few minutes of fiddling with it in creative mode I found that I could do the following:
- Make a superposition containing a diamond block (nothing else is necessary).
- Make X entanglements of this block.
- Place all blocks in the world.
- Mine them.
Result: Block of diamond + essence of superposition + X essence of entanglement -> X + 1 blocks of diamond.
In other words: 8 quantum dust can be traded to 9 diamonds (with the cost of an extra 4 quantum dust per transaction).

I realize it may be quite expensive to make the essences (haven't seen the world gen yet), but is this intended behavior?
It feels quite cheaty to me.

I also tried this with blocks of emerald, but those can not be superposed, it seems.

 

[BanzaiBlitz]

Fairly new mod. Give balance time to wake up.

 

[Wekmor]

Yeah I pointed that out on dw's spotlight, I hope they change it so that you can't dublicate them like this. ..

 

[LoGaL]

mmmm with xeno reliquary it hasn't been that much of a problem til now, with simple redstone you get all sort of stuff

 

[Wekmor]

mmmm with xeno reliquary it hasn't been that much of a problem til now, with simple redstone you get all sort of stuff

wait, what are you talking about?[DOUBLEPOST=1382126151][/DOUBLEPOST]

mmmm with xeno reliquary it hasn't been that much of a problem til now, with simple redstone you get all sort of stuff

wait, what are you talking about?

 

[LoGaL]

http://ftbwiki.org/Tome_of_Alkahestby giving redstone or lapis as a reagent, you multiply your stuff

 

[EpicEraser]

He's talking about the tome of alkahest ( http://ftbwiki.org/Tome_of_Alkahest ).
I never use it (kind of a lame way to get certain items IMO), but it is at least kind of balanced.
Doubling a diamond costs 4 lapis blocks (emerald costs 1).
Note that creating a diamond using EE (another thing I rarely use) costs only 4 gold if I remember correctly.

As I said, it may be intended behavior, but it feels like an exploit to me, because there does not really seem to be a reason for the duplication.
Entanglement with two diamond blocks should cost two diamond blocks in my opinion.

 

[ArcticDreamz]

He wants to say that Xeno's is like duplicating using the tome of Alkahest and some redstone which I think is a fairly good trade.

 

[LoGaL]

ye also equivalent exchange *_* from wood to diamonds

 

[draeath]

I think this was created more for the "lets demonstrate some quantum mechanics" and not for gameplay and balance...

 

[Droideka30]

I think this was created more for the "lets demonstrate some quantum mechanics" and not for gameplay and balance...

If that was its purpose, it failed miserably. Quantum mechanics IRL works nothing like q-craft. That's not necissarily bad, though- gameplay over realsism. I would assume that basic mechanics will come first, and balance will come later.

 

[Wekmor]

http://ftbwiki.org/Tome_of_Alkahestby giving redstone or lapis as a reagent, you multiply your stuff

Oh I get it now, totaly forgot about the toa, since the 1.5 dw20 pack does not inclued this mod :b

I only used it to get more basic stuff like dirt in the 1.4.7 packs

 

[draeath]

If that was its purpose, it failed miserably. Quantum mechanics IRL works nothing like q-craft. That's not necissarily bad, though- gameplay over realsism. I would assume that basic mechanics will come first, and balance will come later.

Concepts are concepts. Entanglement, observer-dependency etc. Of course it doesn't work on a macro level like that but still.

 

[Lathanael]

If that was its purpose, it failed miserably. Quantum mechanics IRL works nothing like q-craft. That's not necissarily bad, though- gameplay over realsism. I would assume that basic mechanics will come first, and balance will come later.

Then how would you try to explain the CONCEPTS of basic quantum mechanics to someone who does not have a bloody clue about it?

 

[draeath]

Not here, this is (from my understanding) a fun demonstrative aid. Eg, something to use while teaching the concepts to someone.

 

[Droideka30]

Not here, this is (from my understanding) a fun demonstrative aid. Eg, something to use while teaching the concepts to someone.

True. I guess when you think about it, it would make a great teaching tool if you don't try to take it literally.

 

[Vaygrim]

I sort of expected, when first seeing the qCraft spotlights, that a mod of this type will just never be truly 'balanced'.

 

[EpicEraser]

I sort of expected, when first seeing the qCraft spotlights, that a mod of this type will just never be truly 'balanced'.

That's not it. It's just an exploit of the way the entanglement crafting is done.
It could easily be fixed by requiring two identical superpositions or an entangled one and an identical regular superposition instead of a single superposition.
It's not even a bad exploit, because of the reasonably high cost and seemingly limited applications (no emerald blocks for instance), but it seems unintended.

 

[Mike_qCraft]

Hi Everyone!

My name is Mike Czyzewski and I am a member of the team that helped create qCraft. The ability to use Quantum Entangling to duplicate gems was something that a lot of people were concerned about. We've fixed it. The latest version of the qCraft mod went live yesterday and includes a modified crafting recipe which eliminates the exploit some players were using to get expensive resources cheaply.

If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask!

 

[EpicEraser]

Thanks for the reaction and the fix Mike!
The new crafting recipe is exactly as I would expect.