I have already used the guides thread, but I can't seem to understand Bee Breeding, or the Machines. Can I please know the location of a "Dummies' guide to Extra Bees and Bee Breeding" please?
Need help with Extra Bees!
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What don't you understand exactly? Basically bee breeding is a matter of combining the princess of one species with the drone of another species and ending up with a new improved species. And which combinations give which new ones is posted on the web "search for bee breeding guide".
Yes, but it seems every time I try to breed bees it gives me a hybrid type, useless in the sequencer and most of the time even goes BACK a tier.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD260CB6981C9FB53
Playlist of videos from Florastar, the bee queen.
it's not really long to watch, and it covers all the basics of breeding in the first videos.
It doesn't cover Extra bees tough, so you might want to watch the mod spotlights that Direwolf20 made for it.
But to be brief, do not make the first tier of machines from extra bees, they are utterly useless and feel more like some testing blocks made in the beginning of the mod.
Playlist of videos from Florastar, the bee queen.
it's not really long to watch, and it covers all the basics of breeding in the first videos.
It doesn't cover Extra bees tough, so you might want to watch the mod spotlights that Direwolf20 made for it.
But to be brief, do not make the first tier of machines from extra bees, they are utterly useless and feel more like some testing blocks made in the beginning of the mod.
Have you checked out Florastar's Bee University? It's got a good bit of information.
As far breeding goes, read up on Punnett Squares and how they work. This is the same way with bee breeding. Each trait is considered separately from every other.
If you have two cultivated bees that are identical in every way except speed. One has the fast trait in both active and inactive, the second has slow in both sections. when you breed them together, you have a 50% chance for each combination in each spot. So, for the active trait, there is a 50% chance for slow, and there is a 50% chance for fast. The same with the inactive spot. It's possible to to end up with both spots with fast, both spots slow, or a combination of the two. (I hope I have this right)
Fast, Fast - 25%
Fast, Slow - 25%
Slow, Fast - 25%
Slow, Slow - 25%
So, there is a 25% chance of getting all Fast, or all Slow, but a 50% chance of getting a mix of slow and fast on the offspring.
Traits in RED are a dominate trait and will always be in the active category. BLUE traits are recessive. So if you end up with 1 RED and 1 BLUE trait, the RED one will take precedence and be the active one. You must have both of the spots filled with BLUE traits to have a recessive trait active.
From what I've experienced, if you breed together two different purebreds, the first generation is a hybrid of the two. A 50/50 split. (It could also be that the law of averages is favoring this outcome.) The second generation has the normal gene distribution as described using punnett squares.
edit: ninja'd, but it took a while to write all this stuff, and check my figures.
As far breeding goes, read up on Punnett Squares and how they work. This is the same way with bee breeding. Each trait is considered separately from every other.
If you have two cultivated bees that are identical in every way except speed. One has the fast trait in both active and inactive, the second has slow in both sections. when you breed them together, you have a 50% chance for each combination in each spot. So, for the active trait, there is a 50% chance for slow, and there is a 50% chance for fast. The same with the inactive spot. It's possible to to end up with both spots with fast, both spots slow, or a combination of the two. (I hope I have this right)
Fast, Fast - 25%
Fast, Slow - 25%
Slow, Fast - 25%
Slow, Slow - 25%
So, there is a 25% chance of getting all Fast, or all Slow, but a 50% chance of getting a mix of slow and fast on the offspring.
Traits in RED are a dominate trait and will always be in the active category. BLUE traits are recessive. So if you end up with 1 RED and 1 BLUE trait, the RED one will take precedence and be the active one. You must have both of the spots filled with BLUE traits to have a recessive trait active.
From what I've experienced, if you breed together two different purebreds, the first generation is a hybrid of the two. A 50/50 split. (It could also be that the law of averages is favoring this outcome.) The second generation has the normal gene distribution as described using punnett squares.
edit: ninja'd, but it took a while to write all this stuff, and check my figures.
As far as the extra bees machines go, you don't need them at all. All the bees can be bred entirely without them. That being said, they do make things much easier on the bee breeder. I would start with the apiarist databank.
Apiarist databank It gives all the bee information for discovered species, possible mutations, and a bunch of other information on the bees. Basically, the beealyzer on steroids. (you still need the beealyzer to id the bees.)
Gene pool. - Your extra drones are placed in this machine to make liquid DNA. This provides the raw materials for the other machines to use.
Sequencer and splicer - depreciated - This machine allows you to store the genetic imprint of hive bees in a template to make more later. It only stores the naturally occurring traits. It will only work for bees that come from hives. Marble, Rocky, Meadows, Forest, etc. It's best use is for saving the base bee types so you can turn all your bees into more advanced versions without worrying about losing the purebred bees later on if you find out you need them (discovering all possible mutations) or for making more a specific type of bee (making multiple rocky bees). - Sequencer makes the templates from the bees, the splicer make the bees from the templates.
Acclimatizer - Helps transplanted bees survive in their new home. Increases the temperature and humidity tolerances for bees. Takes quite a while to run.
Indexer - infinite storage for your bees. Multiple ways to sort. New methods to be added in the future.
Isolator, Replicator, Purifier, Innoculator - These machines work in conjunction with each other. Isolator takes a random trait from a bee and makes a serum. The purifier takes a serum and makes it better (ie: corrupt into normal).* Replicator makes copies of the desirable serum. Innoculator injects the bee with the serum and transfers the desired trait into the bee.
Synthesizer - Not sure what this one does. It is probably needed in some way for working with the serums.
*Serum qualities do not affect outcome yet, but will in a future patch, and may already be implemented in the current builds.
The last 5 machines (tier 2/3) all need to be made and work together. They have a very steep energy requirement to run. Many of these machines take 50MJ/tick to run, so you will need a way to sufficiently power these machines. Your energy creation will likely be the limiting factor in working with this equipment.
Please understand that I haven't used any of the new machines in extra bees yet myself, so I might have a little bit of the information wrong (especially the serum related machines), but this is my understanding of the new machine mechanics and from watching the mod spotlights.
Apiarist databank It gives all the bee information for discovered species, possible mutations, and a bunch of other information on the bees. Basically, the beealyzer on steroids. (you still need the beealyzer to id the bees.)
Gene pool. - Your extra drones are placed in this machine to make liquid DNA. This provides the raw materials for the other machines to use.
Sequencer and splicer - depreciated - This machine allows you to store the genetic imprint of hive bees in a template to make more later. It only stores the naturally occurring traits. It will only work for bees that come from hives. Marble, Rocky, Meadows, Forest, etc. It's best use is for saving the base bee types so you can turn all your bees into more advanced versions without worrying about losing the purebred bees later on if you find out you need them (discovering all possible mutations) or for making more a specific type of bee (making multiple rocky bees). - Sequencer makes the templates from the bees, the splicer make the bees from the templates.
Acclimatizer - Helps transplanted bees survive in their new home. Increases the temperature and humidity tolerances for bees. Takes quite a while to run.
Indexer - infinite storage for your bees. Multiple ways to sort. New methods to be added in the future.
Isolator, Replicator, Purifier, Innoculator - These machines work in conjunction with each other. Isolator takes a random trait from a bee and makes a serum. The purifier takes a serum and makes it better (ie: corrupt into normal).* Replicator makes copies of the desirable serum. Innoculator injects the bee with the serum and transfers the desired trait into the bee.
Synthesizer - Not sure what this one does. It is probably needed in some way for working with the serums.
*Serum qualities do not affect outcome yet, but will in a future patch, and may already be implemented in the current builds.
The last 5 machines (tier 2/3) all need to be made and work together. They have a very steep energy requirement to run. Many of these machines take 50MJ/tick to run, so you will need a way to sufficiently power these machines. Your energy creation will likely be the limiting factor in working with this equipment.
Please understand that I haven't used any of the new machines in extra bees yet myself, so I might have a little bit of the information wrong (especially the serum related machines), but this is my understanding of the new machine mechanics and from watching the mod spotlights.
Serum quality affect outcome. The poorer quality might change your bee (like adding bad effect such as lightning), and excellent quality doesn't have any effect.
So now you need the purifier after adding more charges into your serum using thereplicator Synthesizer.
Xbee machines and the mutator+alveary makes it really easy to get the kind of power bee you want..
So now you need the purifier after adding more charges into your serum using the
Xbee machines and the mutator+alveary makes it really easy to get the kind of power bee you want..
The only other way is to make the analyzer block, but it still uses liquid honey meaning you still have to squeeze honey drops. I think it uses slightly less in terms of drops per bee, but I haven't done the math. One thing I have noticed though is that if your drones stack (e.g. are identical) you can analyze a full 64-stack for 1 honey, not sure if that's a bug or a feature though 
That said, so long as you have frames in your apiary you should get more than enough honey from most bees to analyze them, and once you get to Imperial bees you'll never have to worry about your honey supply ever again because they produce so much
PS: To add to the above, Synthesizer fills up a Serum. Each serum can fit 16 charges and each time it innoculates a bee it'll lose a charge (With a random chance of applying the trait from the serum to a bee). To fill it back up you need to put it in a Synthesizer. Recharging a serum will lower it's quality though so it needs purifying again, which means typically you go isolator (Get serum) => synthesizer (Charge serum) => Purifier (Improve quality) => Innoculator (Put trait in bee) => synthesizer (Fill it back up) => Purifier (Fix it again) => Innoculator (Another bee), and I'm sure you can see the pattern from here.
That said, so long as you have frames in your apiary you should get more than enough honey from most bees to analyze them, and once you get to Imperial bees you'll never have to worry about your honey supply ever again because they produce so much
PS: To add to the above, Synthesizer fills up a Serum. Each serum can fit 16 charges and each time it innoculates a bee it'll lose a charge (With a random chance of applying the trait from the serum to a bee). To fill it back up you need to put it in a Synthesizer. Recharging a serum will lower it's quality though so it needs purifying again, which means typically you go isolator (Get serum) => synthesizer (Charge serum) => Purifier (Improve quality) => Innoculator (Put trait in bee) => synthesizer (Fill it back up) => Purifier (Fix it again) => Innoculator (Another bee), and I'm sure you can see the pattern from here.
One of the best sources of easily obtainable honey drops\liquid DNA very early is Wintry bees, they produce a startling amount of combs (with 3 frames) and they also have very high fertility so you will have a lot of identical drones to analyse and melt (analysed bees give you more liquid DNA and identical means one drop for however many are in the stack), another very good hive sourced bee for honey drops is Modest since they have the nocturnal trait from the hive and they prefer desert habitats so no rain problems, so when starting out with bees it pays I found to have a couple of outpost bee areas in their favored habitats with a few wintry\modest hives running constantly.
Stuff 3 frames in every apiary. You'll have more honey drops than you'll know what to do with.
Sorry ,but you got it wrong. if you have two bee, Bee A and Bee B
Bee A has the skills Fast and Fast both are dominant
Bee B has the skills Slow and Slow both are dominant
their offspring Bee O gets one skill from each from Bee A it has 50% of getting the first Fast skill and 50% from getting the other Fast skill, meaning it can only get Fast
From Bee B it's the same, it can only get the Slow skill
Bee O will have the skills Fast and Slow, their order is random meaning there is
50% chance of Fast Slow
50% chance of Slow Fast
If the bees are
Bee A Fast slow (both dominant)
Bee B Slow Slow (both dominant)
Their offspring can be gotten form the punnit square below, eachslot has a 25% chance of happening
Bee A
(F)ast (S)low
Bee B (S)low F-S S-S
(S)low F-S S-S
This means there is
50% of a slow slow since these are the same the order doenst matter and the active trait is slow
50% of a Fast Slow, the order o these are random and can be broken down to
25% of active Fast
25% of active Slow
in total there is a 75% chance og a bee with active slow and 25% chance of a bee with active Fast
This is why I love the Internets. No one posts answers, but everyone is ready to correct wrong information.
Thanks for the clarifications. I understand it myself, but it is a bit harder to put into words and even more so when sleep deprived.
Hmm. Just wondering if you could harvest the negative lightning effect, and use it with a gt lightning rod for powering your base?
Thanks for the clarifications. I understand it myself, but it is a bit harder to put into words and even more so when sleep deprived.
Hmm. Just wondering if you could harvest the negative lightning effect, and use it with a gt lightning rod for powering your base?
Doesn't work, since the lightning from the bees doesn't trigger a vanilla thunderstorm or rain, which are needed for energy production.
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