Need Help, losing all biomass over night
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Ooooooooookay.
A lot of questions just got answered for me that I was massively confused on.
I did not realize that Boilers couldn't use Biomass, so I was assuming that you had like, one boiler running on biofuel, and the other running on biomass or something.
The only thing I can see happening is that somehow your reeds aren't getting turned into biomass during the night for some reason. If it's a chunkloading problem, slapping a chunkloader down will solve it. We'll know it's not a chunkloader problem if it persists afterwards.
A lot of questions just got answered for me that I was massively confused on.
I did not realize that Boilers couldn't use Biomass, so I was assuming that you had like, one boiler running on biofuel, and the other running on biomass or something.
The only thing I can see happening is that somehow your reeds aren't getting turned into biomass during the night for some reason. If it's a chunkloading problem, slapping a chunkloader down will solve it. We'll know it's not a chunkloader problem if it persists afterwards.
Are you losing biomass that is pumped into liquiducts? Are these liquiducts crossing chunk boundaries? From the changelog for 2.3 (the version for MC1.5.1):
-Bugfix: Fixed a rare corner case where a bad interaction with chunkloading mechanics would cause Liquiducts to lose liquid.
-Bugfix: Fixed a rare corner case where a bad interaction with chunkloading mechanics would cause Liquiducts to lose liquid.
But if it's only happening when you're offline, then we can probably assume that it's still a chunkloading issue that's primarily causing this. Time of day has no impact on biomass production.
If it were happening while you were online, that may be a different story, but I believe you said otherwise.
If it were happening while you were online, that may be a different story, but I believe you said otherwise.
I had a similar issue with a similar set up. We have the server set to only chunk load when the player is online, so I would log on to find my biofuel way down, and the farm (also Steve's carts in the same chunk loader area) didn't appear to have been running. We tried tweaking chunk loading settings, we didn't want everything to load when we were offline, so we ended up turning off the server (it's hosted) every time we are done for the day. We only generally play at the same time, but both have access to turn on and off the server, so this works for us. I would love to know whether you find a solution for your issue, as our workaround isn't feasible on a bigger server.
Thanks for the advise everyone, I ran a chunk loader last night and didn't lose a single drop of biomass
Bumping this since found this thread looking for a solution.
Have a reasonably similar setup, on my server (me and a few friends) we try to enforce fair and reasonable and restricted use of chunk loading to reduce server lag when we aren't playing and reduce the risk of automation running wild and corrupting/crashing chunks.
I know a chunk loader would solve my issues in part. I'm just curious if anyone knows if it's something in particular that is causing the Boilers to stay loaded and keep running and just about nothing else. Mostly because if possible we would want to reduce or avoid having to use chunkloaders when players are not online and just be able to log off and call it a night with everything off without needing to fully turn off the server.
But ya, spending the first hour or so whenever I comeback reheating up boilers really sucks.
Current setup, Steve carts tree farm, feeding into Pneumatic/RP2 network that gets it all sorted into biomass and charcoal. Biomass/Biofuel travels between tanks/stills/fermenters using Liquiducts. Nothing too fancy, relays, filters, a sorting machine. One solid and one Liquid fueled boiler, both in different but relatively close chunks. When it's all chunk loaded it should be able to run for at least a day or 2 easily without coming close to running out of fuel, but if I log off with no chunk loaders, the boilers are the only thing still working and consuming fuel till they run dry.
Have a reasonably similar setup, on my server (me and a few friends) we try to enforce fair and reasonable and restricted use of chunk loading to reduce server lag when we aren't playing and reduce the risk of automation running wild and corrupting/crashing chunks.
I know a chunk loader would solve my issues in part. I'm just curious if anyone knows if it's something in particular that is causing the Boilers to stay loaded and keep running and just about nothing else. Mostly because if possible we would want to reduce or avoid having to use chunkloaders when players are not online and just be able to log off and call it a night with everything off without needing to fully turn off the server.
But ya, spending the first hour or so whenever I comeback reheating up boilers really sucks.
Current setup, Steve carts tree farm, feeding into Pneumatic/RP2 network that gets it all sorted into biomass and charcoal. Biomass/Biofuel travels between tanks/stills/fermenters using Liquiducts. Nothing too fancy, relays, filters, a sorting machine. One solid and one Liquid fueled boiler, both in different but relatively close chunks. When it's all chunk loaded it should be able to run for at least a day or 2 easily without coming close to running out of fuel, but if I log off with no chunk loaders, the boilers are the only thing still working and consuming fuel till they run dry.
Redstone energy conduits (among other things) can cause a chunk to be temporarily loaded even without any other chunkloaders in the area. Don't ask me why. If you have a conduit connecting your boiler to stuff, this might be keeping it loaded.
If you don't want to chunkload your fuel production (I applaud you for saving your server!), make sure to have enough buffer in your biofuel tank. Alternatively, probably a safer option, build your boiler setup so that the boiler and all of the fuel production is within a single chunk - so it either is all loaded, or none of it is.
If you don't want to chunkload your fuel production (I applaud you for saving your server!), make sure to have enough buffer in your biofuel tank. Alternatively, probably a safer option, build your boiler setup so that the boiler and all of the fuel production is within a single chunk - so it either is all loaded, or none of it is.
Well I def have energy conduits in the area, but I also have conduits running in or around some of the farms. =/ I could move em but without know what range and what exactly is chunkloading it's not helping much
. Moving everything into the same same chunk also seems just as ridiculous and cramped. Possible for sure, but looking for a solution that applies to more than just my 2 boilers and could apply to any boiler setup.It wouldn't be that huge of an issue if the difference in fuel consumption between an empty and full boiler wasn't so large and it didn't take like 1hr just to heat up, and I'm afraid that without a good a clear setup it might lead to people putting more chunk loaders just to keep the boilers heated up between play sessions even if they don't need/want everything else to be working.
Although they aren't clearly labelled as such, portals and portal spawners may also act as chunk loaders.
Are you sure the boilers are running, and not just "losing track of where they were" once the server comes back online? Are other systems in the same chunks also staying online? Planting a tree before logout might be the simplest way to tell if you're not sure.
Are you sure the boilers are running, and not just "losing track of where they were" once the server comes back online? Are other systems in the same chunks also staying online? Planting a tree before logout might be the simplest way to tell if you're not sure.
100% sure I'm not losing track. I log off full heat full capacity going in, I sleep 8 hrs ish, log back on with no one having logged on in between, and it's cold.
There might have been a portal near one of them, but the other one 2 chunks further away didn't have any. It's incredibly localized because if an area of about 3x3 chunks was all loaded it would have been impossible for it to run out of fuel. (maybe even 2x2 but I haven't checked the exact limits of the chunks.)
I'd label it as a bug since nothing in the vicinity has the explicit property of chunk loading, and it's more than a little frustrating since all the solutions kinda suck. I'd rather not use or encourage chunk loaders use if the only purpose is to keep a boiler hot. Shutting down the server when everyone isn't playing sorta helps, but doesn't if players are playing on different schedule. If I can't figure out an exact setup that won't reproduce it (and not just "might") well it means coming back to every session and spending the first hour warming stuff up.
I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the boilers. Do OTHER things in their chunk keep running too? I'm thinking maybe the chunk IS unloading but at some point the server bugs out and changes the state of the boilers.
Hard to tell, the tree farm that runs nearby seemed to stop dead in it's tracks, I may double check overnight by planting single trees nearby but not online to check just the moment. My arboretum and wheat farm stop dead because my seed oil count is always exactly the same and the fermenters don't get any new sapplings (same fertilizer count). However my liquid boiler keeps chugging on two 500k iron tanks of Biomass---> Biofuel. A friend on the server (Many many many chunks away) reported something very similar with his liquid boiler.
now iv recently had the same problem with excess fluid vanishing, its not loaded at all and our engines are turned off, and iv gathered from looking that some of the tanks (iron for sure) are leaking and forgetting they have liquid, last night less then 24hrs ago we had over 100 fuel in a tank, minor really but 100 buckets stored. logged off came back 2-3 hrs was entirely gone, engines shut down so it wouldnt consume any fuel but it all vanished, again refueled left the excess logged same thing. but there has been posts about tanks losing liquids so bare that in mind, it may not be chunkloading but rather your buffers in your system