Is there a way to prevent EU loss through wires?

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Shakie666

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I was thinking - glass fibre cable loses 1EU per 25 blocks, right? So if I put a batbox in with the wire every 24 blocks, would that prevent any distance-related energy loss? If not, are there any other ways of doing it (I am aware of superconductor wire, but thats a tad expensive, and you can't pick it up again if you misplace it).
 

arkangyl

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I was thinking - glass fibre cable loses 1EU per 25 blocks, right? So if I put a batbox in with the wire every 24 blocks, would that prevent any distance-related energy loss? If not, are there any other ways of doing it (I am aware of superconductor wire, but thats a tad expensive, and you can't pick it up again if you misplace it).
Glass Fibre Cable loses EU after 40 blocks. Each Cable has it's own loss levels. Copper Wire loses EU on the 5th block. Gold, after the 2nd. HV cable loses EU after the first cable, but since the packet size is 2048 EU's, you won't lose a huge percentage, even over 100 blocks.

Any EU loss can be mitigated by using energy storage blocks, like the BatBox, or by using Transformers, which are cheaper. I may be wrong, as I have not tested this recently, but it used to be that if you connected Glass Fibre into a BatBox without a Transformer, it would explode the BatBox, since BatBoxes are for LV (32 EU/t) and Glass Fibre is for HV (512 EU/t).

ETA: It appears after testing, that whether the Box will explode or not is now dependent on the size of the EU packet, not the Cable's capacity. In the DW20 pack, a HV solar array connected to a BatBox via Glass Fibre will cause an explosion. A LV solar array in the same configuration will not.
 

Malkuth

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You would have to use The Right BatBox or MFE or MFSU.. Because of how the Packet system works.. You can actually kill your power system using the wrong Battery Box.

And cause unwanted explosions. :)
 

Malkuth

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Kill as in lose efficiency? How?

Hi
Batbox 32 max packet size output,
MFE 128 Max Packet Size
MFSU 512 Max Packet size

Packet sizes are important for how systems run.. Not only can you cause explosions because of over powering systems.. including the batteries.

Original poster wanted to use Batboxes to save packet sizes.. And if he is running MFE or MFSU into batboxes it will cause major problems and kill his system.
 

masterventris

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(I am aware of superconductor wire, but thats a tad expensive, and you can't pick it up again if you misplace it).

Yes you can, right click with an IC2 wrench (the orange wrench in NEI) [might be shift rightclick] and it pops up, much like liquiducts and a wrench. You must use an IC2 wrech, the omniwrench will not work for some reason.
 

Dreossk

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I thought you meant it could lose efficiency by the way it's connected, like EU lost in the nature.
 

Zelfana

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ETA: It appears after testing, that whether the Box will explode or not is now dependent on the size of the EU packet, not the Cable's capacity. In the DW20 pack, a HV solar array connected to a BatBox via Glass Fibre will cause an explosion. A LV solar array in the same configuration will not.
It has always been that way, machines do not care about the type of cable but the size of packets they get. But if the cable can't sustain the packet size it will burn away before the machines blow up.
 

Milaha

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I thought you meant it could lose efficiency by the way it's connected, like EU lost in the nature.

In theory it could. If Have an MV signal that I have transformed down to LV, it will be sending 4x LV packets per tick. It hits the batbox which is more than happy to receive all of these and store them, but since we are talking about transmission it will only pass along one LV packet per tick. Now, the other 3 did not just poof into thin air, they got stored, but once that batbox fills up obviously it can no longer do this. If the device emiting the MV signal was a storage unit it will slow down it's rate of emissions to compensate. This chain of filling up and lowering emissions will proceed all the way back to your generators, which will either slow down production if they are smart or poof it into thin air if they are not.

This would also happen if you have a large number of valid LV packets coming in due to multiple sources. You can hook 10x geothermals up to a line that feeds in to a batbox and it will happily squirrel away the full 200 EU/t, but will only let 32 EU/t out of it's clutches.
 

Icarus White

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There's also the fact that transformers are significantly cheaper than batboxes and the like, and that reversing the line doesn't involve wrenching every single box in the line. Also, I believe that transformers don't have a transmission cap, so they're all around the superior choice. (Can you stick two LV transformers with their MV sides touching each other?)
 

Abdiel

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You could also design your machinery to stay within the 40 block limit of diamond cables, and if absolutely necessary, always send HV over long distances so that the losses are negligible. You lose about 1% of your EU when sending 512 EU packets from one edge of normally loaded area to another - if loss is a problem for you (other than Minecraft OCD), you are very likely doing something wrong.
 

CrafterOfMines57

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(Can you stick two LV transformers with their MV sides touching each other?
^ This right here, I'm terrible at explaining it, but using two LV transformers with MV sides touching (and the one sending power receiving redstone signal) it is possible to have absolutely no cable loss.
 

Peppe

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^ This right here, I'm terrible at explaining it, but using two LV transformers with MV sides touching (and the one sending power receiving redstone signal) it is possible to have absolutely no cable loss.
You could, but if you are going any kind of distance there is no reason not to use 4 pieces of copper cable between each or 39 pieces of glass fibre.
The cable loss is every x blocks rounded down, so you lose 0 EU a packet from up to 4 copper cable or 39 glass fibre/tin cable.

Also you could just as easily run the LV transformers in a series with no redstone signals needed. They will pass along the packets from the previous LV transformer without affecting them.