Infinity Evolved - Bee Breeding, NEI Recipes Question

[Brotuulaan]

I've been working through some more bee species in this mod pack, and some of them are giving me roadblocks because of the pairing of overworld and nether bees.

But my question has to do with the NEI interface, as I can work with the actual breeding process.

I'm looking at the recipe for Smouldering bees, and NEI shows Ghastly (overworld) and Hateful (nether) together. But NEI specifically shows a Ghastly queen with a Hateful drone, and the Smouldering bee only mutates in the Nether. The Ghastly bee cannot work in the nether or in nether-like environments, so it would seem that the mixture NEI offers cannot function as a mutation process--rather, you would need to use a Hateful queen and a Ghastly drone and hope that it mutates while the queen has the Hateful dominant gene.

So does anyone know the inner workings of NEI, whether it is indeed incorrect or whether I'm just missing something? Or perhaps it's not NEI but the recipe inserted by Magic Bees? I suppose that could make sense too.

I've noticed that NEI shows one combination of drone/queen when in most cases it can be swapped--probably just to get you out of the mindset that certain breeds MUST always be the queen--but in cases like this where it mixes the overworld/nether breeds, it seems odd to me that it would show this mixture if it cannot actually mutate into the desired result.

 

[triggerfinger12]

I have no idea if NEI is bugged or not, nor do I know if you can only do Hateful princess with Ghastly drone (although I would assume that you can), but even if either of those are not the case you should be able to breed the Ghastly with another nether-environment bee that does not mutate with it in order to change its required environment. This would allow you to have the Ghastly queen working, but still have the mutation.

 

[OniyaMCD]

Bee fiend here - The combination is just one of each: Hateful drone/Ghastly princess works just as well as the other way 'round. Also, I highly recommend pushing towards Gendustry to ease up on the environmental restrictions (as well as evading RNGesus.) I'm playing the Skyblock version, which gates it behind the Infinity Bee, but all of the bees in that chain can be bred in the overworld. (I haven't entered the Nether yet.)

If you're intent on breeding the bee in the Nether (for packs where Gendustry isn't an option - or sheer cussedness #madprops) consider boosting the Ghastly Bee's tolerance to heat and aridity, or setting up an alveary in the Nether.

 

[Brotuulaan]

Thanks for the responses.

@triggerfinger12 My standard trait set in my bees right now has Both 2 for temp and humidity, but it's still not enough to let them work in the nether, as it is hellish and +2 to Ghastly's preferred Normal temp brings it up to only tolerate Hot climates. Bees keep their preferred climate permanently, rather than adopting that of the bees you cross-breed them with. I don't know whether you can get higher than Both 2 for climate tolerances, but that's the best I have right now--and I've gotten quite a large portion of the breeds thus far (maybe 2/3?). If there are some bees that have Both 3, I hope I run across it soon. So at least for the moment, my ghastly bees cannot work in the Nether.

@OniyaMCD Yes, Gendustry is coming up soon-ish in my playthrough. I need to set up an official resource-production area for mass production (diamonds especially, since they're in about every Gendustry standard piece of equipment--as soon as I can make it to diamandi bees, they'll be a nice upgrade to my diamond bees). I'm getting close, but not quite able to make the equipment. And Gendustry is also behind the infinity bee with the power module in this version of the modpack, but I do have an efficient purebred infinity bee now. It'll be very nice to have the compact resource production in those machines rather than these gigantic alvearies. :/ But as I mentioned just above, ghastly bees prefer normal temp/humidity, and even with a Both 2 trait, that still only brings them up to tolerate Hot temps. The Nether is Hellish, so they can't work there with my current setup. I wonder, though, whether they can't work in an alveary with a couple fans and still mutate into nether bees since it's the correct biome? That would fit with NEI's displayed recipe. I have some apiaries in the nether for occasional use like this, but I hadn't bothered with an alveary since I would also have to route power through a tesseract to modify the climate (etc.), or else use some other remote power distribution device (not sure what else in this pack would do the job across dimensions).

All in all, I'm very curious to see whether this was an oversight somewhere with concern to the recipe in NEI or whether it's technically correct.

 

[OniyaMCD]

Thanks for the responses.
@OniyaMCD Yes, Gendustry is coming up soon-ish in my playthrough. I need to set up an official resource-production area for mass production (diamonds especially, since they're in about every Gendustry standard piece of equipment--as soon as I can make it to diamandi bees, they'll be a nice upgrade to my diamond bees). I'm getting close, but not quite able to make the equipment. And Gendustry is also behind the infinity bee with the power module in this version of the modpack, but I do have an efficient purebred infinity bee now. It'll be very nice to have the compact resource production in those machines rather than these gigantic alvearies. :/ But as I mentioned just above, ghastly bees prefer normal temp/humidity, and even with a Both 2 trait, that still only brings them up to tolerate Hot temps. The Nether is Hellish, so they can't work there with my current setup. I wonder, though, whether they can't work in an alveary with a couple fans and still mutate into nether bees since it's the correct biome? That would fit with NEI's displayed recipe. I have some apiaries in the nether for occasional use like this, but I hadn't bothered with an alveary since I would also have to route power through a tesseract to modify the climate (etc.), or else use some other remote power distribution device (not sure what else in this pack would do the job across dimensions).

I basically straight-lined it to the Infinity bees and let them run until I had a good couple-dozen power modules. Everything else has been done with the Gendustry set-up. The alveary gets used for those occasions when a Water Princess that I'm converting goes 'no tolerance' and needs a good 'damp'. (I'll admit, I wanted to have the Gendustry so I could eliminate the danger of random Ghasts spawning around my hives. Call me crazy.)

My current 'permanent lineup': Carbon (Coal -> Coal Powder for Carbon Plates), Dante (Blaze Powder), Diamandi (Diamonds - supplemented by a golem harvesting diamahlia plants), Diligent (for Propolis -> Sticky Resin -> Rubber), Excited (redstone), Ghastly (tears), Lux (Glowstone), Spidery (eyes), and Winsome (Ender Pearls).