I need SERIOUS help with Thaumcraft 4

[totte1015]

So far I think Thaumcraft 4 is way too advanced in the beginning, so okay, i read through ALL the damn pages and stuff, half of it is nonsense and fill out crap.

I re-read it several times to get how it works, but still it doesnt seem to work:

(wand Foci)

How the !*!%& do I get this crap to connect?

I had one of the purple and one of the fire aspects up, both down, and then both up, I just could not get the pattern how the damn stuff connects

Why does it not work!?!?

 

[ewsmith]

The line cannot split. It can only go one way. Connect the top node to the bottom-most one.

 

[totte1015]

Wow... Thats really weird :/
But I got it to work, thanks...

And I guess there is ones that is ALOT harder than this too

 

[MigukNamja]

A few things which may have been in play on that research sheet:

1. All aspects are not always needed. If the start node was the top node, you just needed 2 lit symbols. In other words, you could have left one of the aspects unlit and moved its symbols out of the way.

2. Some sheets are impossible. If the start node was the middle and you only had 4 lit symbols available, sheet was impossible.

Edit : Possible, but difficult. You'd need blocker symbols for the hairpin turn.

3. Lit path is one-way and cannot split or continue from the other end. You must *go* with the flow.

 

[KingTriaxx]

Plus even if you get the same research the actual sheet will be different. So two copies of Silverwood Wand Core will have two separate sheets.

 

[Succubism]

Let me explain researching as simply as I can.

You get one lit up node. The object is to make all the nodes light up. This is done by bridging nodes with activated runes between them. Activated runes are activated by spending research points and finding the right aspects as appropriate to the research you're completing.

You move runes around while they're inactive. You can't move active runes until you've completed the Research Mastery entry. Activating runes near a lit up node or a lit up rune creates a bridge between the two. There can't be more than one space between a node/rune and a lit up node/rune, however they can go in any direction.

Bridges prioritize active runes first and foremost. They also prioritize the nearest active rune. If a rune can't be found nearby, it won't create a bridge unless there's a node it can connect to.

Bridges can connect to already lit up runes and go back on itself, however it cannot create a bridge over an already existing bridge.

Some research notes present puzzles which are impossible to complete with the aspects you have and the runes they allot. This is uncommon but can be solved by scrapping the note and attempting it again.

You don't need to have every possible rune involved in completing the research, so long as you can bridge between nodes with some. Move left-over runes out of the way should you need to.

Once all nodes are lit up, the research is complete and ready to be discovered. The research note will turn into a scroll.

Hope this helps!

 

[totte1015]

Holy god... pissing as crap bollocks.

I have no clue how this works, look at this:

So i tried reading your post several times

I must be too god damn retarded but i have no clue what you mean by nodes, bridges and all that.
I hate magic talk

So, what the heck do i do on this one?
I tried shuffeling and i wasted all my Owl...thing on this thing
And wasted half of my cognito too

 

[MigukNamja]

You need a blocker. Take one of the unlit symbols and slide it down so it interrups the Cognito (brain)/Sensus (owl) short-circuit at your top left node. You want the path to only go from Sensus to node to Cognito.

Specifically, move an unlit symbol directly to the right of your top-most Sensus. You may also need to move your bottom-most Sensus one place to the left to prevent a short-circuit with the right-most Cognito.

If out of Sensus, move a blocker there.

Summary : you don't need to spend any more research points, just ink. Move unlit symbols to block.

Oh, and you're not stupid. Not by a long-shot. I went through the same frustration until I discovered blockers.

 

[totte1015]

Alright... Thanks, i... its so simple yet so hard to get this

I did that, and now it connected

So, basically i cant mix the glowing colors within this either?

 

[MigukNamja]

I'm not sure what you mean by "mix the glowing colors", but you do have to take care when your path turns a 90 degree or sharper corner that your lit symbol just before the node and the lit symbol just after the nod don't make a direct connection. Unintended direct connections are usually a bad thing and will usually screw up the path.

I usually put a blocker(any unlit symbol) in the bend of the turn to explicitly block any such unintended connection.

As far as color order, that doesn't matter at all. You could have had the path go like this:

starter node --> Sensus -- > Cognito --> node #2 --> Sensus --> Cognito --> node #3
starter node --> Sensus -- > Cognito --> node #2 --> Cognito --> Sensus --> node #3
starter node --> Cognito -- > Sensus --> node #2 --> Sensus --> Cognito --> node #3

TC4 doesn't care about the color or aspect of a symbol once it's lit. For the purposes of the path, there's only 2 kinds of symbols on the sheet : lit and unlit. That's it.

The colors just help you with deciding when/how to turn off symbols of a certain aspect. The colors don't affect the path. Just the lit/unlit state affect the path.

UPDATE : Added 2 more examples per Succubism's excellent comment.

 

[Succubism]

You don't need to bridge with different runes each time, you can bridge from a cognitio rune to another cognitio rune. You just have to remember that bridges will prioritize closer runes and if it doubles back on itself, block the path with an inactive rune.

 

[totte1015]

Is there any way to cheat this?
I give up.

Most thing i hate about minecraft is:

To get 9, you need 8 which is crafted from 7, which also needs two 6, and the two 6's needs five 5's and so on.

If not... I will have to skip direwolfs lets play...

 

[Succubism]

Is there any way to cheat this?
I give up.

Most thing i hate about minecraft is:

To get 9, you need 8 which is crafted from 7, which also needs two 6, and the two 6's needs five 5's and so on.

If not... I will have to skip direwolfs lets play...

In the config files for thaumcraft there's an option to allow the existence of the Cheat Thaumonomicon, which when used unlocks every possible research inside it.

 

[totte1015]

Thanks...
I know its SUPER boring to do this, but... For me there isnt really any option :/

 

[Succubism]

Thanks...
I know its SUPER boring to do this, but... For me there isnt really any option :/

Different people like different things. I get it.