Gregtechs matter fabricator 152WGT

[Colensocon1]

So in the new version of Gregtech you cant use cobblestone glass sand sandstone basically anything that uses just cobble is there any other item you would recommend using as a amplifier and i want it to be renewable please Thank you guys

 

[Shakie666]

Err, you can't use cobble in a matterfab anyway... I assume you mean you can't recycle them. I don't suppose cobble slabs are either?

It might be cheating a bit, and I don't know if its in the 152 packs, but you could always set up a zombie soul shard or something and recycle the rotten flesh. Whichever mob gives the highest number of items dropped.

You're other alternative is to not use scrap at all. Macerating an eye of ender gives 2 ender eye dust, each of which gives 75k matterfab amplifier. Provided you've been to the nether/end, gathering these is rather trivial.

 

[Poppycocks]

Tree farm!

Cut it up in a sawmill, recycle the dust, craft the wood into sticks recycle sticks.

 

[Shakie666]

Tree farm!

Cut it up in a sawmill, recycle the dust, craft the wood into sticks recycle sticks.

Of course, sticks! Why didn't I think of that!?

 

[Colensocon1]

Thank you guys but I'm gonna try use the fisher seems like a good option and ive never played with MFR Before thank you for your suggestions thow!

 

[Omicron]

Tree farm!

Cut it up in a sawmill, recycle the dust, craft the wood into sticks recycle sticks.

Of course, sticks! Why didn't I think of that!?

Because sticks are banned even in vanilla IC2, no GregTech required?

The best renewable amplifier is an enderman mob farm, by the way. One enderpearl dust is worth as much as 10 scrap (50,000 amplifier insetad of 5,000).

Here you can see some of the possible alternative amplifiers. This isn't up to date with 1.5.2 (there's a total of 19 options by now), but it'll get you started. You can see all allowable alternative amplifiers in the DynamicConfig.cfg but without the values; I wrote myself a book ingame with the full list of numbers after testing them

 

[Shakie666]

I don't even see the point of making cobble non-recycable, it'll just make people find something else automatable and recycable.

 

[Omicron]

Some people enjoy the challenge of having to find and automate something else? Certainly better than doing the same thing you've been doing in your last 20 worlds already!

On my current server, the recycler is disabled. Uncraftable. No scrap for anyone, ever. Want UU-matter? Find an alternative solution! The 4 other players I have were all perfectly okay with that, and though none of them has a fabricator yet, I've heard plans for two entirely different concepts already.

 

[Shakie666]

Some people enjoy the challenge of having to find and automate something else?

On my current server, the recycler is disabled. Uncraftable. No scrap for anyone, ever. Want UU-matter? Find an alternative solution! The 4 other players I have were all perfectly okay with that, and though none of them has a fabricator yet, I've heard plans for two entirely different concepts already.

To be honest, on my survival world I just use ender eye dust as it is. Easy 150k amplifier per eye. In fact I don't even bother with automation, its that easy.

Thing is, this relies on GT, since you can only use scrap in vanilla IC2 (I think? possibly scrapboxes as well).

A question I would like to know the answer to: what does the amplifier value actually mean? Scrap has 5k amplifier - does that mean you'd save 5k eu using 1 scrap over not using any (in a mass fab of course, obviously you don't get a choice with the matter fab). Thats what I always thought, but I'm not sure.

 

[natnif36]

Eggs?

Any mod drop really should work - any sort of mob farm will drop a lot of thing to be recycled.
Even a hundred chickens above a bunch of interconnecting hoppers into recyclers should work, simply enough.
Except Pigmen - raw golden nuggets cannot be recycled.

Also the full recycler blacklist can be seen by pressin "L" whilst your inventory is open.
Can't one look a up any amplifier, such as scrap and then click on the arrow or something to bring up the NEI "amplifier" screen, where one can browse the different amplifiers and their respective amplification value.

The main thing that would upset me about no scrap isn't for the amplifyer, it's for scrap boxes - I love those things.[DOUBLEPOST=1371161951][/DOUBLEPOST]And AFAIK the value just represents how long it lasts, and doesn't actually have any relevant context to compare with, except to other amplifiers.

 

[Shakie666]

Hmm, what about iron golem farm, turn iron ingots into iron nuggets? Assuming you can actually recycle nuggets.

 

[natnif36]

Nope.
No nuggets can be recycled.

 

[Harvest88]

This would be interesting on a server.. actually buying trash from people to keep matter fabs churning. I image people replacing void pipes with enderchests of mob grinders lol.

 

[Omicron]

A question I would like to know the answer to: what does the amplifier value actually mean? Scrap has 5k amplifier - does that mean you'd save 5k eu using 1 scrap over not using any (in a mass fab of course, obviously you don't get a choice with the matter fab). Thats what I always thought, but I'm not sure.

In IC2, it works like this: one unit of amplifier equals one unit of EU that gets multiplied by six for the purposes of generating UU-matter. One UU-matter costs one million EU, but if you have amplifier, then each EU inserted into the mass fab actually counts for six. Therefore you only need to insert 166,666.66666... EU to pay the 1,000,000 EU cost. This also means that you need to provide 166,666.66666... units of amplifier for this to work, or in other words, 33.333333... pieces of scrap (at their base value of 5,000).

33.33333... * 5,000 = 166,666
166,666.66666... * 6 = 1,000,000

Then GregTech came along and raised the cost of UU-matter by 100 times. UU-matter in GregTech would cost 100,000,000 EU per piece if you had the option to run without amplifier, but you do not have that option. You must use amplifier. As a result, you're paying 16,666,666.66666... EU per piece instead of 166,666.66666.... EU. However, Greg decided to keep the scrap requirement the same, and ONLY changes the energy cost. As such, the relationship between amplifier and energy of "number of EUs that gets multiplied by 6" is decoupled. Instead, you need a fixed 166,666.66666.... amplifier per UU-matter regardless of what you set the energy cost to. You could make your UU-matter cost 100 EU, and you'd still need the same 33.33333... pieces of scrap to make it.

As such, the alternative amplifiers give more progress per piece. Enderpearl dust, at 50,000, is 10 times the value of scrap, and therefore you only need to insert 3.3333... pieces of it into the matter fab to make one UU-matter (regardless of UU-cost). Similarly, the most potent amplifier possible - plutonium dust at 2,000,000 amplifier value - will produce 12 units of UU-matter from one single dust.

Can't one look a up any amplifier, such as scrap and then click on the arrow or something to bring up the NEI "amplifier" screen, where one can browse the different amplifiers and their respective amplification value.

This worked in some versions of NEI Plugins, but 1.5 broke it. Mistaqur hasn't gotten around to re-add it yet.

 

[John Freeman]

Of course, sticks! Why didn't I think of that!?

I thought sticks were one of the few items that would not recycle?

The following items will be used by the Recycler, but will not produce any scrap.​

• • Glass Panes
  • Sticks
  • Snowballs
• Scaffolds"​

 

[Omicron]

Yes, I said that in post #6 already...

 

[Zarkov]

Some people enjoy the challenge of having to find and automate something else? Certainly better than doing the same thing you've been doing in your last 20 worlds already!

But isn't that basically a one-time Google challenge, the outcome of which then ending up in the follow 20 worlds? I guess I'm not one of the people you mention.

 

[hotblack desiato]

if you run quarries, you could send the monazit ore into the ind. grinder.

every block gives 12 forcicium, which amplify equally to scrap and more important: 2 thorium dust (not just 1, as in FTB). and 2 thorium dust mean amplifier for 6 uu-matter. that's not bad in my opinion.

another way would be: set up a mfr-rubbertree farm, send the rubberwood into the extractor and the sticky resin into a second extractor and the saplings together with the created rubber into the recycler.

a third way would be: get one or two MFR mining lasers. those beasts give silktouched ores. they eat tons of energy, but they make mining more or less obsolete. with a ore processor with grinders and furnaces (handled by AE), you can get a lot of different stuff.

oh, and a fourth way: in IC2 you can grow redweed. a plant that gives redstone dust. redstone dust is a valide amplifier with a value of 5000. similar way: bees that produce amplifiers like ruby dust, uranium, redstone or so...