Good vs. Evil

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lenscas

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78 someone really should make a site that is basically that live-stream but keep it online 24/7 and counting until people stop dieing from old age.

Creating the animation is probably not that hard with CSS and JS. Keeping track of the dead is simple.
Set a reference point to when the site got online in the page itself. Then when someone loads the page you can simply get the current time and subtract the two to get the amount of people that died before the user loaded up the page. (1 second=1 dead) and set a function to increase the shown counter by one to run every second. No server side code required (except for generating that reference point once).

The animation is just generating a stick figure at the far left and traveling him to the right every frame until a certain point. The flame is the hardest part but I wouldn't be surprised if there is also an easy way for that (I haven't done much with animations in the browser before). Skull is about the same as the stick figure but now but let it go up as well before letting it go down again.

That leaves us with one problem left, keeping the site available 24/7 for who knows how many years. I think we can agree that keeping it cheap. So, I suggest to cheat a bit.
  1. Find a host that offers a reasonable price for the amount of downtime (or rather, lack off)
  2. Also write a service worker that once someone visited the page loads the correct files needed and acts as a cache
  3. ???
  4. PROFIT!
The result, when someone who has service workers enabled visits the page the page can no longer be down for this person. This is because service workers get "installed" on the browser and gives us control over the cache for our site and their main purpose is to allow people to use an site even if its down (which is exactly what we want to use it for). Another benefit of using service workers is that we may be able to send notifications every so often (if the user has this enabled for our site) even if he isn't on it. Him having his browser open is enough (and of course accepting the box about notifications)
 

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79 Or you can create a looping gif of people on a conveyor falling off a cliff.
80 but the point is seeing the number get higher and higher, can't do that with a gif and keeping a gif and a counter accurate isn't easy (unless you can read at which frame the gif is)
 

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83 I shall decide to avoid death by boycotting computers because the "smart" people think they are the devil.
84 that reminds me of a video I once saw where someone tried to debunk the evolution theory using a jar of peanut butter.
And.... if you aren't already laughing about the absurdness of that statement, he actually managed to target the wrong theory to try and debunk with his reasoning.
(It should have been about debunking a theory on how life first formed)
The reason why a jar of peanut butter debunked a theory in his eye was that despite the fact that it has everything inside it to create new life, he never sees new life forms whenever he opens a jar.
According to him, whatever theory he tried to debunk stated that life needed
time
an energy source
and...something else that I forgot.
Time was provided by the fact that there has been some good time between the packaging of the jar and you opening. And the energy source was provided by the peanut butter itself.
 

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85 Eh, I don't think anyone needs to prove or disprove any theory on the origins of the universe to see the absurdity of it.

Creationism: People have a hard time believing that there is an all-powerful benevolent divine being that created and controls the universe.
Evolution: The probability of all the events required in succession, even over billions of years, (planets forming, life evolving, etc.) is less likely than a tornado picking up all the parts required for a Boeing 747 lying in a field and assembling the plane perfectly.
Any other theory: Just, no.
 

lenscas

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85 Eh, I don't think anyone needs to prove or disprove any theory on the origins of the universe to see the absurdity of it.

Creationism: People have a hard time believing that there is an all-powerful benevolent divine being that created and controls the universe.
Evolution: The probability of all the events required in succession, even over billions of years, (planets forming, life evolving, etc.) is less likely than a tornado picking up all the parts required for a Boeing 747 lying in a field and assembling the plane perfectly.
Any other theory: Just, no.
86 Creationism and evolution could co-exist. Evolution theory is only about how animal species change over time.
And creationism itself (an all powerful entity created our world) isn't that hard to believe :
Right now humans like to simulate everything, so it isn't that far fetched that if we ever get advanced enough to simulate an entire universe (or at least enough to fake the rest of it) that we would do so.
Which should mean that whatever advanced species ends up "living" in that simulation could do the same, where the same could happen, etc,etc and so we dig an endless stream of simulations. And knowing this its fair to say that the chances of us living inside a simulation is bigger than it is to live outside of it. And I think its fair to say that whatever beings that created the simulation can be seen as gods, or at least god like.

Also, for the ones that would say that an infinite amount of simulations would grind the originally one to a hold and thus this isn't possible: That fact doesn't matter. While living inside a simulation you won't notice how long it would take to calculate the next "frame" as the frames are the only thing you experience. It may mean that the beings that originally made it get bored of it and shut it down though.

(actually, I feel that there is a nice plot/story lurking around there. About one of these simulations having a bug or something slowly grinding everything to a halt and one species at the top wanting to shut it down as a result but the beings lower down somehow getting knowledge of this and are thus doing everything in their power to fix it.)
 

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87 It just isn't the Creationism most people think of, where everything was created as is, instead that everything got kicked off and then progressed without significant outside influence.
 

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88 I think that the simulation theory holds some ground, but I think that if one were to really take a look at it they would (eventually) find some major holes. Not that I want to spend my time looking for them, but I'm sure they're there. :)
 

lenscas

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88 I think that the simulation theory holds some ground, but I think that if one were to really take a look at it they would (eventually) find some major holes. Not that I want to spend my time looking for them, but I'm sure they're there. :)
89 Actually, its impossible to disprove it.

The only thing that could disprove it if there is something in our world that is impossible to simulate. But considering that even infinite numbers like pi can relatively easily be faked, figuring something out like that is, hard.

Its just one of those theories that though very interesting to think about has no real value. Just like the one that says that everything only existed since last Tuesday. No way to disprove it, no way to confirm it and in the end it probably doesn't even matter that much if its true or not.

Actually, knowing for sure if the simulation theory is true means we know that we as a species should never do something that grinds the simulation to a halt or stagnate and make the simulation boring. Bad stuff may very well happen if we do. It also means that we know for sure we are basically entertainment slaves for whatever species is running the simulation. So..... my vote goes to not even trying to find out if its true or not. I rather not know about an outside entity that could always be watching and destroy the entire universe we live in whenever it feels like.
 

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91 Last Thursdayism is the idea that if we are going to assume that the universe was created at some point in the past to look as if it was much older, it could just as easily have been created last Thursday. Therefor, the argument as a whole is ridiculous, as can be seen by the extreme case,