I see the same thing. I just assume there's some hidden trait that isn't the same, numerically. If you breed one of those drones against a princess with the same traits, you'll quickly get nothing but drones that do stack, and you can pitch any that don't.
getting started with bee breeding.
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I see the same thing. I just assume there's some hidden trait that isn't the same, numerically. If you breed one of those drones against a princess with the same traits, you'll quickly get nothing but drones that do stack, and you can pitch any that don't.
Is there any sort of advanced bee machine that could let me see that trait? It would be most helpful. Would spectacles help, perhaps?
Supposedly, it's because of the order that the bee information is saved in the NBT data. If two bees have the exact same traits, but stored in different orders, they won't stack.
My bee tutorial:
Using rocky/marble bees and winter bees, get common with 4x fertility and -+2 in humidity and temperature, flyer and nocturnal effects and cave dwelling. (Important Note: This will allow your bees to be bred ANYWHERE - seriously, it's the best combination available, so you gotta use it).
Use Forest and Meadows bees you have to get a bunch of Cultivated and Common ones with those essential traits.
From that point, you're essentially producing A LOT of honey - you'll want to get frames and an automated processing line - which you'll use later.
Now that the drones are estabilized AND you're producing A LOT of honey, you can start bee breeding.
But wait, you'll lose traits! Nope. You'll not. The best thing to do right now is to get power generation up and running. ASAP. You're gonna need it to an extent it's unbelieavable. Use Extra Bees' genetic machines to isolate the main traits you're going for (4x fertility, -+2 humidity and temperature, flyer, nocturnal and cave dwelling, fast production rate, shortest life, long/longest life) which will help you in the long run (shortest for the breeding and long/longest for the production).
Put the combination of bees you need to get the one you want in the apiary and now you'll just have to isolate a species each time you get a bunch of pure breeds of said bee.
Also, you may want to keep a bunch of cultivated ones for the honey - you'll need it.
I'm no bee master, but I surely can toy around with them enough to an alveary.
In the meantime, try to do something you've never done before. Any kind of input is good, and you shouldn't dismiss something just because "it's less effective". I mean, SC2 is expensive but it can kick a quarry's butt when it comes down to the actual test, for example.
Using rocky/marble bees and winter bees, get common with 4x fertility and -+2 in humidity and temperature, flyer and nocturnal effects and cave dwelling. (Important Note: This will allow your bees to be bred ANYWHERE - seriously, it's the best combination available, so you gotta use it).
Use Forest and Meadows bees you have to get a bunch of Cultivated and Common ones with those essential traits.
From that point, you're essentially producing A LOT of honey - you'll want to get frames and an automated processing line - which you'll use later.
Now that the drones are estabilized AND you're producing A LOT of honey, you can start bee breeding.
But wait, you'll lose traits! Nope. You'll not. The best thing to do right now is to get power generation up and running. ASAP. You're gonna need it to an extent it's unbelieavable. Use Extra Bees' genetic machines to isolate the main traits you're going for (4x fertility, -+2 humidity and temperature, flyer, nocturnal and cave dwelling, fast production rate, shortest life, long/longest life) which will help you in the long run (shortest for the breeding and long/longest for the production).
Put the combination of bees you need to get the one you want in the apiary and now you'll just have to isolate a species each time you get a bunch of pure breeds of said bee.
Also, you may want to keep a bunch of cultivated ones for the honey - you'll need it.
I'm no bee master, but I surely can toy around with them enough to an alveary.
In the meantime, try to do something you've never done before. Any kind of input is good, and you shouldn't dismiss something just because "it's less effective". I mean, SC2 is expensive but it can kick a quarry's butt when it comes down to the actual test, for example.
My bee tutorial:
Using rocky/marble bees and winter bees, get common with 4x fertility and -+2 in humidity and temperature, flyer and nocturnal effects and cave dwelling. (Important Note: This will allow your bees to be bred ANYWHERE - seriously, it's the best combination available, so you gotta use it).
Use Forest and Meadows bees you have to get a bunch of Cultivated and Common ones with those essential traits.
From that point, you're essentially producing A LOT of honey - you'll want to get frames and an automated processing line - which you'll use later.
Now that the drones are estabilized AND you're producing A LOT of honey, you can start bee breeding.
Thanks for this! This will probably help me out when I get home.
Also for other people how could care less about bee spoilers with mixing and matching bees: http://goo.gl/t20jJ (check out all tabs in the GDocs spreadsheet, it's overwhelming!)
Edit: I did not make this sheet and don't know where it came from. It was sitting in my fav's.
If you have the Thaumic Bees mod you should also raid some chests and find Oblivion Frames. Putting one in an aviary/alveary reduces the Queen's lifecycle to nearly zero. Toss in a couple Soul Frames and you can breed new mutations very quickly.
Also, make an apiarist database as soon as you can along with the acclimatizer. Even though this is a tier 1 bee machine, it can fix the temperature and humidity tolerances of your bees. This is often needed while breeding and you get a bee that won't work in your current climate because a mutation caused your temp or humidity tolerances to be lost. The apiarist database is good to see what the base traits are on a bee so you can see what you try and need to save with your breeding. Sometime you only want the species and don't care about the traits (cause you have better bred bees already), other times you want the traits. (like the fast worker from cultivated.) Occasionally, I've gotten mutations where the trait I wanted doesn't actually end up on the bee, even though it is a base trait. (I see this happen most often in double mutations--both active and inactive strains mutate.) When this happens, I have to try again with the mutation.
One of the tricks I've found when manually breeding the 1x offspring bees is to have a princess with a 4x fertility and a purebred drone with the 1x fertility. Then you end up with a bunch of bees that are hybrids with 1x fertility as the active trait and hopefully a 4x inactive. I save all the drones from this mating. Next, I breed 4x fertility back into the princess and hopefully save a couple traits from the 1x fertility bee. Next, I breed one of the drones from the first mating with the fixed 4x fertility princess. I save all the drones from this second pairing as well. If I lose the 4x fertility, I breed it back in from the source strain. If not, I try and purify/stabilize the bee line with just the one drone. Once I have the stable pair, I clone the princess, then take another drone from my first couple breedings and mate with this new princess. If I lose the 4x fertility, I go back to my first mating princess and use the drones to fix the second mating princess. Once the second mating princess becomes stable, I will incorporate the traits from the first back in if need be, then this new mating princess becomes the baseline for the new bees. I then clone the second mating princess back to the first, then breed it again with a bee from the original couple pairings, going for any traits that got lost along the way. Occasionally, these pairings have bad luck, and I have to revert back to my stable mating pair. Even though it takes a while to stabilize and clone the breeding pairs, it is worth it when manually breeding the 1x species.
Always have one line is stable and producing drones for you to go back to when the RNG is being evil. Only work on a few traits at a time. Go for as many as possible, but stabilize the line, first and foremost. Then, clone the stable line, and start trying to add in the traits you want, and breed in drones from the stable line as needed to repair lost traits and what not. I've done this and got lucky bringing in 3 or 4 good traits, other times, I've had horrible luck and lost all my progress on the new line and had to go back and clone the stable line again.
Once you get imperial and industrial, it is only a matter of time before you breed all the bees you want. The escritore can work with bee products, but also with the bees themselves. It's a good use of the stacks and stacks of drones you make. You can use all the hybrids to research. Only the dominant species is used for the escritore.
One of the tricks I've found when manually breeding the 1x offspring bees is to have a princess with a 4x fertility and a purebred drone with the 1x fertility. Then you end up with a bunch of bees that are hybrids with 1x fertility as the active trait and hopefully a 4x inactive. I save all the drones from this mating. Next, I breed 4x fertility back into the princess and hopefully save a couple traits from the 1x fertility bee. Next, I breed one of the drones from the first mating with the fixed 4x fertility princess. I save all the drones from this second pairing as well. If I lose the 4x fertility, I breed it back in from the source strain. If not, I try and purify/stabilize the bee line with just the one drone. Once I have the stable pair, I clone the princess, then take another drone from my first couple breedings and mate with this new princess. If I lose the 4x fertility, I go back to my first mating princess and use the drones to fix the second mating princess. Once the second mating princess becomes stable, I will incorporate the traits from the first back in if need be, then this new mating princess becomes the baseline for the new bees. I then clone the second mating princess back to the first, then breed it again with a bee from the original couple pairings, going for any traits that got lost along the way. Occasionally, these pairings have bad luck, and I have to revert back to my stable mating pair. Even though it takes a while to stabilize and clone the breeding pairs, it is worth it when manually breeding the 1x species.
Always have one line is stable and producing drones for you to go back to when the RNG is being evil. Only work on a few traits at a time. Go for as many as possible, but stabilize the line, first and foremost. Then, clone the stable line, and start trying to add in the traits you want, and breed in drones from the stable line as needed to repair lost traits and what not. I've done this and got lucky bringing in 3 or 4 good traits, other times, I've had horrible luck and lost all my progress on the new line and had to go back and clone the stable line again.
Once you get imperial and industrial, it is only a matter of time before you breed all the bees you want. The escritore can work with bee products, but also with the bees themselves. It's a good use of the stacks and stacks of drones you make. You can use all the hybrids to research. Only the dominant species is used for the escritore.