Force engines for quarry,?

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kayla sharp

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Ok so I like to use three force engines because force is really easy to get and it doesn't take a lot and plus it seems to go really fast.. But no where I have seem like in torturials I have seen anyone else use them, is there a reason people don't use force engines?
 

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From what I gathered from the MCF Dartcraft thread, Force Engines are pretty safe to use. I've also heard about them being used several times on here before the 1.6.4 packs came out, so I have no idea why you aren't seeing them in tutorials.
 
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Is agrarian skies and magic farm just like another mod pack like unleashed is? why do you play those

Yes they are. I personally play them because the large packs (such as DW20 and Monster) tend to not have any sort of challenge to them, or I just have too many options to go with and can't choose, and stop playing because of it. Both of these packs are smaller and far more difficult, forcing me to actually think about every action. Plus, I really enjoy the "small" group of mods in both of those packs.
 
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kayla sharp

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Yes they are. I personally play them because the large packs (such as DW20 and Monster) tend to not have any sort of challenge to them, or I just have too many options to go with and can't choose, and stop playing because of it. Both of these packs are smaller and far more difficult, forcing me to actually think about every action. Plus, I really enjoy the "small" group of mods in both of those packs.
So why are those more challenging? I'm not sure I'm understanding you
 

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So why are those more challenging? I'm not sure I'm understanding you

Agrarian Skies is a sky block with very limited resources and it forces you to conserve resources and plan carefully to make sure you don't run out of resources. Magic Farm overhauls a bunch of recipes and makes mobs quite a bit more difficult. Plus, both overhaul the hunger system making food an actual concern.
 

kayla sharp

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Agrarian Skies is a sky block with very limited resources and it forces you to conserve resources and plan carefully to make sure you don't run out of resources. Magic Farm overhauls a bunch of recipes and makes mobs quite a bit more difficult. Plus, both overhaul the hunger system making food an actual concern.
wow that sounds cool :) I'm gonna stick to unleashed bc will I'm not very experienced but i will def be watching some lets plays on youtube of the two you like. thank you :)
 
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I kniw quite a bit of people dont use dartcraft because it is overpowered
*A lot of people think it's overpowered.

The Force Engine is pretty simple, which is likely why you never see anyone use it; takes a primary fuel and a optional secondary "throttle". Can use lava, oil, biofuel, fuel, or liquid force for the primary fuel, and takes water, milk, or crushed ice for the "throttle", all of those in ascending order of power.
 

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When I'm running a pack with Dartcraft, force engines are usually my preferred method. If you're looking for an automated solution, then you need to consider both the fuel and the throttle.

For fuel, the two main options are either Liquid force, which is powerful (up to about 10 MJ/tick, with a milk throttle, I think), or fuel (less power, but more energy, runs at about 7.5MJ/tick for 600 000 ticks, rather than 60 000 that liquid force uses). Force is good, if you've got the supplies, fuel is useful for manually-filled engines, as it doesn't run out very quickly, but you do need to find oil wells to get it.

For a throttle, the main ones that I know of are water, milk and crushed ice. Water is obviously easy to set up (aqueous accumulator), but the lest effective (2x energy production). Milk is easy enough to do (rancher + cows), but needs to be transported to the site, I find that the power boost (x2.5 energy production) makes it worthwhile, even though it's more tricky to make. Crushed ice is tricky, as it requires bees. On the other hand, it's 4x boost would make it very valuable if you have the means.

Other than that, you're looking at either manually refuelling (cans + walking) or fluid teleportation methods (endertank/tesseracts). It is possible to put force gems straight into the engines, so you could filter those out of your quarry, into your engines, and use a water throttle, but that would be very inefficient (you'd lose the 1.5x quantity boost from squeezing the gemsEDIT: gems are worth 0.25 buckets directly, but squeeze to 1.5 buckets).

If I recall them properly, force engines' fuel is balanced with the combustion engine, with a water throttle, the values (as I remember them) are:
Fuels (no throttle)
Force: 4MJ/tick 60 000 ticks
Fuel: 4MJ/tick 600 000 ticks

Throttles:
Water: 2x energy production
Milk: 2.5x energy production
Crushed Ice: 4x energy production
 
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YX33A

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Actually @Bibble sending the force gems into the engine without processing them gets you a quarter of a bucket of liquid force, which compared to the 1.5 buckets you get from processing them with a squeezer or a magma crucible, is a hell of a dent in your power.
 

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Actually @Bibble sending the force gems into the engine without processing them gets you a quarter of a bucket of liquid force, which compared to the 1.5 buckets you get from processing them with a squeezer or a magma crucible, is a hell of a dent in your power.
Fair enough, obviously been hit with the nerf hammer since I last did it.
 

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...Long ass time ago since you've done it, then. This was changed in one of the early updates to DartCraft.
Probably. Not used direct gems in forever. I always just go straight for the squeezer.
 

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Wise man.
I can see the point of being able to use gems, but when you have forestry that's able to squeeze them cheaply, it's kind of a no-brainer. If you were forced to use the crucible, it'd be a different story ...
 

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I can see the point of being able to use gems, but when you have forestry that's able to squeeze them cheaply, it's kind of a no-brainer. If you were forced to use the crucible, it'd be a different story ...
In that case I'd just throw them into my force infuser then infuse a bucket as needed. Takes some power, yes, but it's damn effective.
 

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In that case I'd just throw them into my force infuser then infuse a bucket as needed. Takes some power, yes, but it's damn effective.
Also needs you to have got to obsidian. On different games, I've had quite odd blocks as shortages.