Windows .exe Fatal error starting up Minecraft and FML

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Fish-N-Chips

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Modpack version 1.2.7
Minecraft version 1.5.2

The issue is whenever I open up the Ampz modpack all the files install, but when FML starts "setting up your environment" it gives me the message "Fatal error starting up Minecraft and FML". I have tried deleting the modpack files and re-installed FTB, but still gives the same message.


2013-11-17 19:33:37 [INFO] [ForgeModLoader] Forge Mod Loader version 5.2.23.738 for Minecraft 1.5.2 loading
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [INFO] [ForgeModLoader] Java is Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM, version 1.7.0_40, running on Windows 8:amd64:6.2, installed at C:\Program Files\Java\jre7
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINE] [ForgeModLoader] Java classpath at launch is C:\Users\*******\Desktop\FTB_Launcher.exe;anything;B:\FTB\UniversalElectricity\instMods\modpack.jar;B:\FTB\UniversalElectricity\instMods\MinecraftForge.zip;B:\FTB\UniversalElectricity\minecraft\bin\minecraft.jar;B:\FTB\UniversalElectricity\minecraft\bin\lwjgl.jar;B:\FTB\UniversalElectricity\minecraft\bin\lwjgl_util.jar;B:\FTB\UniversalElectricity\minecraft\bin\jinput.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINE] [ForgeModLoader] Java library path at launch is C:\Program Files\Java\jre7\bin;C:\Windows\Sun\Java\bin;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\PhysX\Common;C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\iCLS Client\;C:\Program Files\Intel\iCLS Client\;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\DAL;C:\Program Files\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\IPT;C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\DAL;C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\IPT;C:\Program Files\Java\jre7\bin;.
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINE] [ForgeModLoader] Enabling runtime deobfuscation
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] All core mods are successfully located
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Discovering coremods
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found a candidate coremod CodeChickenCore 0.8.7.3.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loading coremod CodeChickenCore 0.8.7.3.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [WARNING] [ForgeModLoader] The coremod codechicken.core.asm.CodeChickenCorePlugin does not have a MCVersion annotation, it may cause issues with this version of Minecraft
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loaded coremod CodeChickenCore 0.8.7.3.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found a candidate coremod CoFHCore-1.5.2.5.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loading coremod CoFHCore-1.5.2.5.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [WARNING] [ForgeModLoader] The coremod cofh.asm.CoFHPlugin does not have a MCVersion annotation, it may cause issues with this version of Minecraft
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loaded coremod CoFHCore-1.5.2.5.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found a candidate coremod Galacticraft-1.5.2-a0.1.36.410.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loading coremod Galacticraft-1.5.2-a0.1.36.410.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [WARNING] [ForgeModLoader] The coremod micdoodle8.mods.galacticraft.asm.GalacticraftPlugin does not have a MCVersion annotation, it may cause issues with this version of Minecraft
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loaded coremod Galacticraft-1.5.2-a0.1.36.410.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found a candidate coremod immibis-microblocks-55.0.7.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loading coremod immibis-microblocks-55.0.7.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [WARNING] [ForgeModLoader] The coremod mods.immibis.microblocks.coremod.MicroblocksCoreMod does not have a MCVersion annotation, it may cause issues with this version of Minecraft
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loaded coremod immibis-microblocks-55.0.7.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found a candidate coremod NotEnoughItems 1.5.2.28.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loading coremod NotEnoughItems 1.5.2.28.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [WARNING] [ForgeModLoader] The coremod codechicken.nei.asm.NEICorePlugin does not have a MCVersion annotation, it may cause issues with this version of Minecraft
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loaded coremod NotEnoughItems 1.5.2.28.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found a candidate coremod PowerCrystalsCore-1.1.6-107.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loading coremod PowerCrystalsCore-1.1.6-107.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINE] [ForgeModLoader] The coremod powercrystals.core.CoreLoader requested minecraft version 1.5.2 and minecraft is 1.5.2. It will be loaded.
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Loaded coremod PowerCrystalsCore-1.1.6-107.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found library file argo-small-3.2.jar present and correct in lib dir
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found library file guava-14.0-rc3.jar present and correct in lib dir
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found library file asm-all-4.1.jar present and correct in lib dir
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [INFO] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There was a problem downloading the file bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar automatically. Perhaps you have an environment without internet access. You will need to download the file manually or restart and let it try again
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found library file deobfuscation_data_1.5.2.zip present and correct in lib dir
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [INFO] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There was a problem downloading the file scala-library.jar automatically. Perhaps you have an environment without internet access. You will need to download the file manually or restart and let it try again
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There were errors during initial FML setup. Some files failed to download or were otherwise corrupted. You will need to manually obtain the following files from these download links and ensure your lib directory is clean.
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/argo-small-3.2.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/guava-14.0-rc3.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/asm-all-4.1.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/deobfuscation_data_1.5.2.zip
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] <===========>
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] The following is the errors that caused the setup to fail. They may help you diagnose and resolve the issue
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] A download error occured
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] A download error occured
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] <<< ==== >>>
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] The following is diagnostic information for developers to review.
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] Error details
java.lang.RuntimeException: A download error occured
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchLibraryManager.downloadFile(RelaunchLibraryManager.java:548)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchLibraryManager.handleLaunch(RelaunchLibraryManager.java:165)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.setupHome(FMLRelauncher.java:172)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.relaunchApplet(FMLRelauncher.java:259)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.appletEntry(FMLRelauncher.java:229)
at net.minecraft.client.MinecraftApplet.init(MinecraftApplet.java:25)
at net.minecraft.Launcher.init(Launcher.java:85)
at net.ftb.mclauncher.MinecraftFrame.start(MinecraftFrame.java:149)
at net.ftb.mclauncher.MinecraftLauncher.main(MinecraftLauncher.java:211)
Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection$6.run(Unknown Source)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection$6.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getChainedException(Unknown Source)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(Unknown Source)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchLibraryManager.downloadFile(RelaunchLibraryManager.java:532)
... 8 more
Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(Unknown Source)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getHeaderField(Unknown Source)
at java.net.URLConnection.getHeaderFieldLong(Unknown Source)
at java.net.URLConnection.getContentLengthLong(Unknown Source)
at java.net.URLConnection.getContentLength(Unknown Source)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchLibraryManager.downloadFile(RelaunchLibraryManager.java:531)
... 8 more
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] Error details
java.lang.RuntimeException: A download error occured
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchLibraryManager.downloadFile(RelaunchLibraryManager.java:548)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchLibraryManager.handleLaunch(RelaunchLibraryManager.java:165)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.setupHome(FMLRelauncher.java:172)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.relaunchApplet(FMLRelauncher.java:259)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.appletEntry(FMLRelauncher.java:229)
at net.minecraft.client.MinecraftApplet.init(MinecraftApplet.java:25)
at net.minecraft.Launcher.init(Launcher.java:85)
at net.ftb.mclauncher.MinecraftFrame.start(MinecraftFrame.java:149)
at net.ftb.mclauncher.MinecraftLauncher.main(MinecraftLauncher.java:211)
Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection$6.run(Unknown Source)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection$6.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getChainedException(Unknown Source)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(Unknown Source)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchLibraryManager.downloadFile(RelaunchLibraryManager.java:532)
... 8 more
Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(Unknown Source)
at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getHeaderField(Unknown Source)
at java.net.URLConnection.getHeaderFieldLong(Unknown Source)
at java.net.URLConnection.getContentLengthLong(Unknown Source)
at java.net.URLConnection.getContentLength(Unknown Source)
at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchLibraryManager.downloadFile(RelaunchLibraryManager.java:531)
... 8 more
2013-11-17 19:33:39 [INFO] [STDERR] [19:33:39] [ERROR] FMLRelauncher.setupHome:192->MinecraftLauncher.main:217: Unhandled error launching minecraft: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.RuntimeException: A fatal error occured and FML cannot continue
2013-11-17 19:33:39 [INFO] [STDERR] cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.setupHome(FMLRelauncher.java:192)
2013-11-17 19:33:39 [INFO] [STDERR] cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.relaunchApplet(FMLRelauncher.java:259)
2013-11-17 19:33:39 [INFO] [STDERR] cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.FMLRelauncher.appletEntry(FMLRelauncher.java:229)
2013-11-17 19:33:39 [INFO] [STDERR] net.minecraft.client.MinecraftApplet.init(MinecraftApplet.java:25)
2013-11-17 19:33:39 [INFO] [STDERR] net.minecraft.Launcher.init(Launcher.java:85)
2013-11-17 19:33:39 [INFO] [STDERR] net.ftb.mclauncher.MinecraftFrame.start(MinecraftFrame.java:149)
2013-11-17 19:33:39 [INFO] [STDERR] net.ftb.mclauncher.MinecraftLauncher.main(MinecraftLauncher.java:211)
 

lavarthan

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Welcome. I did not read through the whole log, but one fix is listed here. After that is fixed if you are still experiencing problems please post a new console log to pastebin.com by clicking the 'Paste my log to pastebin.com' button and providing the link to the log it puts in the console.
 

JamiePhonic

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this is a common problem. if your using AVG like i am, you need to disable it. the web browsing protection seems not to like minecraft much.
the problems are caused because forge isnt able to download some of the required librarys
Code:
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found library file argo-small-3.2.jar present and correct in lib dir
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found library file guava-14.0-rc3.jar present and correct in lib dir
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found library file asm-all-4.1.jar present and correct in lib dir
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [INFO] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There was a problem downloading the file bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar automatically. Perhaps you have an environment without internet access. You will need to download the file manually or restart and let it try again
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Found library file deobfuscation_data_1.5.2.zip present and correct in lib dir
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [FINEST] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [INFO] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There was a problem downloading the file scala-library.jar automatically. Perhaps you have an environment without internet access. You will need to download the file manually or restart and let it try again
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There were errors during initial FML setup. Some files failed to download or were otherwise corrupted. You will need to manually obtain the following files from these download links and ensure your lib directory is clean.
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/argo-small-3.2.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/guava-14.0-rc3.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/asm-all-4.1.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/deobfuscation_data_1.5.2.zip
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] <===========>
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] The following is the errors that caused the setup to fail. They may help you diagnose and resolve the issue
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] A download error occured
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] A download error occured
2013-11-17 19:33:37 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] <<< ==== >>>
the errors are because forge cant find these files because it couldn't download them in the first place.
 

JamiePhonic

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i have a problem trying to play amps but it gave me a fatal error.

http://pastebin.com/M8jZwD2i
this is the link to the console.

http://pastebin.com/ZnfnU7Zq
this is the link to the ForgeModLoader-client-0
again, its the same issue:
this is a common problem. if your using AVG like i was, you need to disable it. the web browsing protection seems not to like minecraft much.
the problems are caused because forge isnt able to download some of the required librarys
Code:
2014-01-14 21:44:38 [INFO] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There was a problem downloading the file bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar automatically. Perhaps you have an environment without internet access. You will need to download the file manually or restart and let it try again

2014-01-14 21:44:39 [INFO] [ForgeModLoader] Downloading file http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There was a problem downloading the file scala-library.jar automatically. Perhaps you have an environment without internet access. You will need to download the file manually or restart and let it try again

2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] There were errors during initial FML setup. Some files failed to download or were otherwise corrupted. You will need to manually obtain the following files from these download links and ensure your lib directory is clean.
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/argo-small-3.2.jar
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/guava-14.0-rc3.jar
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/asm-all-4.1.jar
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/bcprov-jdk15on-148.jar
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/deobfuscation_data_1.5.2.zip
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] *** Download http://files.minecraftforge.net/fmllibs/scala-library.jar
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] <===========>
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] The following is the errors that caused the setup to fail. They may help you diagnose and resolve the issue
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] A download error occured
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] A download error occured
2014-01-14 21:44:39 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] <<< ==== >>>
the errors are because forge cant find these files because it couldn't download them in the first place.
 
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lavarthan

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You can get the files that did not download, listed above, from Unleashed. Copy them out of the folder 'C:\Users\User\feed-the-beast\Unleashed\lib' to 'C:\Users\User\feed-the-beast\UniversalElectricity\lib'

Actually this is an old error that has nothing to do with any AV program. The reason that the forge is not finding them is because they were 'renamed' with a new extension, .stash. Someone forgot to alert the mod pack authors that they now can/need to include these files in the download rather than having the forge download them. It is all explained in this thread that I had linked above. Since the pack author needs to update the pack not FTB the packs continue having this error as most of the authors are long gone.
 
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Tristam Izumi

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I have another problem with Direwolf20 (v1.0.12) Minecraft Version 1.6.4

http://pastebin.com/nSeBwwx1 here`s the paste bin console
You're using 32-bit Windows Vista, and thus 32-bit Java. To run the DW20 1.6.4 pack, you need to be running 64-bit Java, which requires a 64-bit OS. The only FTB pack designed to be run on 32-bit Java is FTB Lite 2.

Also, your system only reports having 2 GB of RAM, which isn't enough to run any of the (non-Lite) FTB 1.6.4 packs.
 
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lavarthan

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What seems to be the problem? I see no errors in the log that are game breaking.

Edit: Ah yes, Tristam Izumi was more observant than I was. Look here for more info about the limits of 32bit Java/OS and the 1.6.4 packs.
 
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What seems to be the problem? I see no errors in the log that are game breaking.

Edit: Ah yes, Tristam Izumi was more observant than I was. Look here for more info about the limits of 32bit Java/OS and the 1.6.4 packs.
Heh. My MO is "it's Java's fault", and then if it isn't I look for other possible causes for problems.
 
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