Farming Invar, need help with the math.

[Bomb Bloke]

Ah, good point, the loss would be slightly less with each step. But I was talking about the 1.5.x versions - I'd gotten the impression that conduits leading from a cell to a cell would result in no loss, but it seems you're saying that conduits leading out of a cell to any destination don't result in any loss? Or is it from any source to a cell?

 

[MilConDoin]

Ah, good point, the loss would be slightly less with each step. But I was talking about the 1.5.x versions - I'd gotten the impression that conduits leading from a cell to a cell would result in no loss, but it seems you're saying that conduits leading out of a cell to any destination don't result in any loss? Or is it from any source to a cell?

• Changed: Redstone Energy Cells are now on the Redstone Energy Framework, have a 5% loss on receiving MJ from non Redstone Framework sources, and do not have loss if sending to other Redstone Framework devices.
• Changed: Redstone Energy Conduits are now on the Redstone Energy Framework, have a 5% loss on receiving MJ from non Redstone Framework sources, and do not have loss if sending to other Redstone Framework devices.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

... Ok, so are engines also on this framework?

 

[Zelfana]

... Ok, so are engines also on this framework?

No, because then there would be no losses at all and the whole mechanic would be pointless as the loss happens when energy enters the network. And it would only work with TE engines anyway.

 

[MilConDoin]

... Ok, so are engines also on this framework?

-Changed: Steam and Magmatic Engines are now on the Redstone Energy Framework and do not have loss if sending to other Redstone Framework devices.

 

[Zelfana]

Okay, so if you limit your power options you get lossless power? It basically then means that all other engines output 95% energy and TE engines are 100%. Seems redundant to even have the loss if there are exceptions that ignore it like that.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

At this rate you'll be telling me that all TE blocks are on it, too! XD

Ok, so engine => conduit => cell => (any amount more conduits/cells) => conduit => machine is a 5% loss IF using a TE engine, or a 9.5% loss if not. Understood. Still easily beaten by gold pipes over short runs.

 

[ThemsAllTook]

@ThemsAllTook: Is it possible you were using stone pipes first time around? A single one of those is about equal to a conduit run, so they're only "better" for tiny distances where you want to use gates.

I think what I might have done was put some sort of engine on the conduit/pipe instead of a redstone energy cell, which would mean less MJ flowing through it at a time. Sounds like that makes a difference. So, conductive pipe lossiness is maybe worse for small amounts of MJ than for large ones? I'll have to do some additional testing later to verify.

 

[MilConDoin]

At this rate you'll be telling me that all TE blocks are on it, too! XD

Ok, so engine => conduit => cell => (any amount more conduits/cells) => conduit => machine is a 5% loss IF using a TE engine, or a 9.5% loss if not. Understood. Still easily beaten by gold pipes over short runs.

(1.5.X scenario: ) Your example has 0% loss with a TE engine and 5% loss with any other engine.
Only the conversion MJ->Redstone Energy Framework has a 5% loss. The conversion Redstone Energy Framework->MJ is lossless.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

So Cell / TE engine => conduit => anything is lossless?

*throws hands in air*