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TheLoneWolfling

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Thats a very interesting conversion rate :eek:
Yeah, it's rather high, isn't it?

Math: A 36m^3 HP boiler uses ((6.4 - 36 * 0.08) / 8 * 36 = 15.84 fuel units / tick. Fuel is 96000 units. This means a bucket of fuel burns for 6060.60... ticks.

It also produces 20*36 = 720 steam per tick. This works out to 4363636.63... steam per fuel.

5 steam makes 1 MJ. This works out to 872727.27... MJ / bucket of fuel.

It costs 1.5M EU to make one bucket of oil. It then takes an additional 10,000 MJ to turn it into fuel. This means 1 EU makes ((872727 - 10000) / 1.5 million) = 0.575... MJ.

Or, combining all the equations, ((((720 * (96000 / (((6.4 - 36 * 0.08) / 8 * 36))) / 5) - 10000) / 1.5 million) = 0.575151515 MJ / EU

Of course, to do this requires you have a 36m^3 LP or HP boiler operational at all times.

Even assuming a LP boiler, that's a minimum conversion rate of 123.75 EU/tick to 71.175MJ/tick. (The additional 0.825MJ/t is to power the refinery)
 
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IlliniJeeper

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Of course, to do this requires you have a 36m^3 LP or HP boiler operational at all times.

Is this really a concern for most people? I have my boilers running constantly, and if they're powered with renewable sources (charcoal, oilfab, sawmill planks), then what incentive is there to ever turn a boiler *off*?
 

TheLoneWolfling

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Is this really a concern for most people? I have my boilers running constantly, and if they're powered with renewable sources (charcoal, oilfab, sawmill planks), then what incentive is there to ever turn a boiler *off*?
Mainly the accidental shutoffs. I've had boilers shut off a few times due to weird chunkloading / server crashes / etc. And then it's a lot of fuel / etc. to restart it.

It also means that it isn't useful for on-demand energy conversion.
 

Skyqula

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And do what with the steam? Waste it?

No, i mean you can have enough steam engines to use all the steam from a boiler and enough turbines to use all the steam from a boiler. And then switch between the engines and turbines depending on what power you need (or mix it). So the steam always gets used and you can chose wich type of power to use it on. Its expensive on the steel, sure. But its a way :)
 

TheLoneWolfling

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No, i mean you can have enough steam engines to use all the steam from a boiler and enough turbines to use all the steam from a boiler. And then switch between the engines and turbines depending on what power you need (or mix it). So the steam always gets used and you can chose wich type of power to use it on. Its expensive on the steel, sure. But its a way :)
So then you spend steel on converting EU to EU? Seems less than ideal.
 

Skyqula

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So then you spend steel on converting EU to EU? Seems less than ideal.

Sortoff. You said that steam isnt usefull for on demand energy conversion. If you use said steam to generate EU and have a set of steam engines inactive next to it. You can switch at anny time you want. Giving you an on demand EU to mj switch. Granted it can be expensive, but it also yields the best conversion to MJ as per your calculations :)

Talking about calculations, you said:

It also produces 20*36 = 720 steam per tick. This works out to 4363636.63... steam per fuel.

It costs 1.5M EU to make one bucket of oil. It then takes an additional 10,000 MJ to turn it into fuel. This means 1 EU makes ((872727 - 10000) / 1.5 million) = 0.575... MJ.

From the railcraft wiki:

The Turbine can output up to 200 EU/t. It requires a constant input of 320 Steam per tick.

So total EU generated: 4363636 / 320 * 200 = 2727272 EU

Convert MJ cost to EU: 10000 / 0.575 = 17391

Gives us a total of: 2727272 - 17391 - 1500000 = 1209881 EU

I dunno, doesnt seem all that bad? Heck you almost dubbled your EU? xD If you use that power to run an MFR laser drill you easely get enough coal and iron to cover the steel rotor cost, ontop of all the other ores and the point of this threat: an on demand EU to MJ switch!