Ender Bee Revival

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wakafanykai123

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On this server I play on, I have an ender drone, how would I get queens,princesses,and more drones from that one drone. Is there any method of breeding that would allow me to revive the species?
 

DZCreeper

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Um, you could try asking the person for a princess, get yourself some extra ender drones, then breed them with normal princesses until you get your own pure princess. Then give him back the princess.
 

Demoshi

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yes the extra bees machines are semi late game and require a very large amount of MJ/t, like between 25-100 MJ/t. But you can isolate any trait and the purify it and then inject it into a different species ( a princess) and then you can create a end bee line from that.
 

wakafanykai123

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yes the extra bees machines are semi late game and require a very large amount of MJ/t, like between 25-100 MJ/t. But you can isolate any trait and the purify it and then inject it into a different species ( a princess) and then you can create a end bee line from that.
What machines do this and could you give me an example of a setup?
 

Demoshi

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well heres the wiki for reference because im 75% on the extra bees stuff. http://extra-bees.wikia.com/wiki/Machines

also there is a recent DW20 video ( SMP ) where he builds and uses all the adv extra bee machines.


1. Make a genepool. This breaks your drones and princesses down into liquid DNA. Analyzed bees give more DNA per bee ( princesses 12.5% -> 25%, drones 2.5% -> 5%) so all those drones you have been holding onto or voiding now have a purpose.

2. From here you will basically need all the machines to create a stable bee, as an unrefined serum will cause the modified bee to die off in a few generations.
 

Futalis

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What machines do this and could you give me an example of a setup?

Genepool for DNA which you will need (only throw unwanted bees in here, I don't ever recommend throwing princesses in and make sure they are identified).

Then throw your ender bee into an isolator (the isolator will make serums from random traits of the bee it is currently working on). Fair warning though if you are playing on hardmode the bees have a good chance of getting consumed by the isolator so make sure you have multiple bees as the chance of getting the trait you want is somewhat random.

Once you have the serum you want (in this case ender bee species serum) throw it into the synthesizer (this will both increase the number of charges on the serum and decrease the quality, you will want it full of charges). Once it is full (it'll have awful/poor quality) you'll want to throw it into the purifier which will increase the quality until excellent. Make sure your vials are always of excellent quality before use (if not you risk turning your bees into hive bees).

Once you have purified your vial. Pick a bee of your choice (I breed perfect bees and have many perfect sets of princesses and drones for this) and throw as many bees as you'd like into the inoculator (the final genetic machine in the line up) with the serum. This process takes the longest. The serum will slowly be injected into the bees.

WARNING: For best results do not use inoculator on queens instead use it on both the princess and drone that you'll be turning into the queen. If you use it as the queen the innoculator will only affect half of the traits of the bee and so when the queen dies half of the resultant bees will have the correct type of bee and the other half will be the other type of bee you started with. And sometimes they will be a mix of them. Which will force you to reinnoculate them, wasting charges.
 

Demoshi

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WARNING: For best results do not use inoculator on queens instead use it on both the princess and drone that you'll be turning into the queen. If you use it as the queen the innoculator will only affect half of the traits of the bee and so when the queen dies half of the resultant bees will have the correct type of bee and the other half will be the other type of bee you started with. And sometimes they will be a mix of them. Which will force you to reinnoculate them, wasting charges.
You can inoculate the queen twice to gain both active and inactive traits and guarantee your trait.
 

DoctorOr

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The isolator has changed, it now has a (reasonably high) chance of eating the bee. The chance that you'll get Ender Species from a single drone is slim. Direwolf's video does _not_ show that change to the mod.

So take a princess - any breed _other_ than the four that mutate with Ender - and use the Advanced Genetic machines to make sure it has 4x fertility. Then just start isolating the Ender species.

2nd generation, take the princess and any hybrid half-breed Ender drone. Repeat until you have full blooded Enders, then breed those to make drones to stick in an Isolator and sacrifice to get a serum. Then will you use a Synthesizer and Purifier on the serum, both of which require liquid DNA.
 

Futalis

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You can inoculate the queen twice to gain both active and inactive traits and guarantee your trait.

Experiments yielded results supporting my theory. However if this changed in the latest patch, then good to know. :)
 

Bibble

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You can inoculate the queen twice to gain both active and inactive traits and guarantee your trait.
From what I've seen, this isn't the case. When breeding, the queen takes the traits of the princess, while the drone's traits remain dormant and hidden until the queen dies and produces offspring. The inoculator is only able to affect the traits of the queen taken from the princess (i.e. one partner's genes), while, if you wait until it dies and inoculate both bees, it takes more serum, but you are guaranteed that all of the children will have the genes (barring mutations).
 

Memorian

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If you cant get you r hands on a new ender princess (besides dont the ender bees need to be breed at the egg for them to work) I'd recommend finding a princess with the highest offspring trait aviable and begin cross breeding it with the ender drone you've got. That way you'll get many new drones who have the ender bee trait, and a princess with who's half ender bee.

Then just start crossbreeding the bees till you get something you like. since you wont have any pure breeds left I'd recommend that you hold on to every offspring you get till untill you have a pure drone and princess with the desired traits
 

ThemsAllTook

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Certain princess species work better for this sort of thing than others. I'd recommend breeding either a modest or wintry princess with your ender drone, and if you choose modest, using an inoculator to give her 4x fertility first (might as well do it to the drone too, since you'll likely have to go through several breeding cycles to get sustainable pure ender bees).
 

wakafanykai123

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Wow. This is all so confusing. Also, I dont have the egg so thats why i need the extra bee machines.
So, ill need the isolator and inocoluator for sure.
How do i extract the ender species trait from the drone and inject it into a princess?
Without risk of destroying the drone.
And I cannot breed them like normal in an aipary until its flower changes.
 

ThemsAllTook

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Since you have a drone, a queen bred with him won't require the dragon egg as her flowers, at least not until the next generation (and then only if she inherits that pollination type as a primary trait). There's no way that I know of to extract the species trait from a single drone without risking destroying it (I seem to get an average of about 3 serums per bee in an isolator, and the species serum is relatively rare).

However, by breeding the drone with a princess of another species with 4x fertility, you get four new drones and a princess, at least some of which will almost certainly have ender species as a primary and/or secondary trait. From there, it's just a matter of beealyzing the offspring of that breed and selectively re-breeding the drone with the traits you want most (ender species; ideally as both primary and secondary traits, less ideally as primary only, least ideally as secondary only) with the same princess. If you fully inoculate both the princess and the drone with 4x fertility before the first breeding cycle, you won't have to worry about losing that trait further down the line. If the "End" pollination type gets passed on to the princess, you can hit her with a "pollination: flowers" serum (I think that's what it's called? Can't remember for sure), or just do it to the drone up front so that that trait can't be passed to offspring.

By my observations, some species are better for this sort of purification breeding than others. If I'm trying to purify one species of princess into another by breeding her with drones of the type I want, I've found that modest and wintry bees work particularly well; the wintry/modest species trait is "weak" (recessive?) and dies out relatively quickly to be replaced by the drone's species trait. Cultivated bees are the opposite; the cultivated species trait seems to be the one that usually wins out and is much harder to get rid of. I haven't done enough breeding with other types to know how they behave. I think maybe you can tell by the color of the species text in the beealyzer? Not totally sure about that.

So, an example of how this might go: Breed some bees with 4x fertility and "flowers" pollination (say, wintry) until you have a bunch of drones. Put some of those drones in an isolator until you get a 4x fertility serum and a flowers pollination serum (you can smelt unwanted serums to get the empty vials back). Fill those serums up in a synthesizer, and purify them to excellent quality in a purifier. Choose a princess you don't need to keep around for other purposes, inoculate her with 4x fertility if she doesn't already have it, and inoculate the drone with both 4x fertility and pollination: flowers. Breed the two together, analyze the results, and put the most ideal drone offspring with the princess. Repeat until both your princess and drone are ender species in both their primary and secondary traits, and boom, you can produce as many ender drones as you want. After that, you can convert additional princesses to ender species by repeatedly breeding them with drones produced by your purebred mating pair.

Whew, that turned into quite a wall of text! Hope this helps.
 

ryanjh5521

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Since you have a drone, a queen bred with him won't require the dragon egg as her flowers, at least not until the next generation (and then only if she inherits that pollination type as a primary trait). There's no way that I know of to extract the species trait from a single drone without risking destroying it (I seem to get an average of about 3 serums per bee in an isolator, and the species serum is relatively rare).

However, by breeding the drone with a princess of another species with 4x fertility, you get four new drones and a princess, at least some of which will almost certainly have ender species as a primary and/or secondary trait. From there, it's just a matter of beealyzing the offspring of that breed and selectively re-breeding the drone with the traits you want most (ender species; ideally as both primary and secondary traits, less ideally as primary only, least ideally as secondary only) with the same princess. If you fully inoculate both the princess and the drone with 4x fertility before the first breeding cycle, you won't have to worry about losing that trait further down the line. If the "End" pollination type gets passed on to the princess, you can hit her with a "pollination: flowers" serum (I think that's what it's called? Can't remember for sure), or just do it to the drone up front so that that trait can't be passed to offspring.

By my observations, some species are better for this sort of purification breeding than others. If I'm trying to purify one species of princess into another by breeding her with drones of the type I want, I've found that modest and wintry bees work particularly well; the wintry/modest species trait is "weak" (recessive?) and dies out relatively quickly to be replaced by the drone's species trait. Cultivated bees are the opposite; the cultivated species trait seems to be the one that usually wins out and is much harder to get rid of. I haven't done enough breeding with other types to know how they behave. I think maybe you can tell by the color of the species text in the beealyzer? Not totally sure about that.

So, an example of how this might go: Breed some bees with 4x fertility and "flowers" pollination (say, wintry) until you have a bunch of drones. Put some of those drones in an isolator until you get a 4x fertility serum and a flowers pollination serum (you can smelt unwanted serums to get the empty vials back). Fill those serums up in a synthesizer, and purify them to excellent quality in a purifier. Choose a princess you don't need to keep around for other purposes, inoculate her with 4x fertility if she doesn't already have it, and inoculate the drone with both 4x fertility and pollination: flowers. Breed the two together, analyze the results, and put the most ideal drone offspring with the princess. Repeat until both your princess and drone are ender species in both their primary and secondary traits, and boom, you can produce as many ender drones as you want. After that, you can convert additional princesses to ender species by repeatedly breeding them with drones produced by your purebred mating pair.

Whew, that turned into quite a wall of text! Hope this helps.
Are your fingers tired? :p
 

wakafanykai123

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So, an example of how this might go: Breed some bees with 4x fertility and "flowers" pollination (say, wintry) until you have a bunch of drones. Put some of those drones in an isolator until you get a 4x fertility serum and a flowers pollination serum (you can smelt unwanted serums to get the empty vials back). Fill those serums up in a synthesizer, and purify them to excellent quality in a purifier. Choose a princess you don't need to keep around for other purposes, inoculate her with 4x fertility if she doesn't already have it, and inoculate the drone with both 4x fertility and pollination: flowers. Breed the two together, analyze the results, and put the most ideal drone offspring with the princess. Repeat until both your princess and drone are ender species in both their primary and secondary traits, and boom, you can produce as many ender drones as you want. After that, you can convert additional princesses to ender species by repeatedly breeding them with drones produced by your purebred mating pair.

Going to test this in my testing lab, ill report back with the results