Im trying to convert my Biofuel to EU. Using direwolf so the thermal generator setup wont work. Does anyone have setups of their own or have ideas? Post :3
Best way to use Biofuel?
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It adds a diesel generator
In the meantime, you're stuck with the biogenerator.
You're 2 main ways are the direct forestry way (biogenerator), which burns at 20EU/tick, I think. Or to throw it into a steam boiler, and use a turbine.
To be honest, biofuel is intended as a renewable replacement to fuel, and so not exactly intended for IC2 generation. I typically use biofuel for BC power (via steam), and go another route for IC2. I'm currently trying to see if my solar panels are enough to cope with my processing/AE system while running a quarry.
To be honest, biofuel is intended as a renewable replacement to fuel, and so not exactly intended for IC2 generation. I typically use biofuel for BC power (via steam), and go another route for IC2. I'm currently trying to see if my solar panels are enough to cope with my processing/AE system while running a quarry.
Biofuel into Railcraft liquid fuelded boiler ... then pipe the steam into a pair of Steam Turbines for 200 EU/t
And they look COOL!
In the example above, saplings from a chunk-sized Steve's cart farm are fermented/stilled to feed two 36HP boilers, each producing 720 steam which is piped into for a pair of steam turbines and industrial steam engines. The 400 EU/t supplies Industrial Grinders, Blast Furnace & Electrolyzers ... with any surplus flowing to the Matter Fab.
The turbine blades do need occasional maintenance but a gate condition can be easily setup to alert you when maintenance is due. Plus in the current version, the rotors last a lot longer and there is a cheap repair recipe as well.
And they look COOL!
In the example above, saplings from a chunk-sized Steve's cart farm are fermented/stilled to feed two 36HP boilers, each producing 720 steam which is piped into for a pair of steam turbines and industrial steam engines. The 400 EU/t supplies Industrial Grinders, Blast Furnace & Electrolyzers ... with any surplus flowing to the Matter Fab.
The turbine blades do need occasional maintenance but a gate condition can be easily setup to alert you when maintenance is due. Plus in the current version, the rotors last a lot longer and there is a cheap repair recipe as well.
I have currently a world in the early stages (first quarry completed, it just runs on charcoal )
I use standard combustion engines, which burn the fuel, they power a magma crucible, which runs on netherrack. and then, I send the lava into a GT-thermal generator.
effectively I get 200k MJ out of a bucket biofuel, turn it into 16,6 buckets of lava and the thermal generator turns that into 400k EU. the standard Geothermal generator would still produce 333k EU out of one bucket of biofuel. I'd say, that isn't too bad.
I'd later replace the engines with liquid fuelbox boiler (36hp) + steam engines. and the biofuel with regular fuel (because I have tons of oil wells, I'm just not at the point, that I can harvest them.
)I use standard combustion engines, which burn the fuel, they power a magma crucible, which runs on netherrack. and then, I send the lava into a GT-thermal generator.
effectively I get 200k MJ out of a bucket biofuel, turn it into 16,6 buckets of lava and the thermal generator turns that into 400k EU. the standard Geothermal generator would still produce 333k EU out of one bucket of biofuel. I'd say, that isn't too bad.
I'd later replace the engines with liquid fuelbox boiler (36hp) + steam engines. and the biofuel with regular fuel (because I have tons of oil wells, I'm just not at the point, that I can harvest them.
You're better off with combustion engines than anything else to get the most MJ (or EU) for biofuel or even standard fuel.
Don't use a steam boiler either. Example here for 312 buckets of biofuel. You get about 61.7 million MJ (and that number is too high) in a steam boiler, but you get (exactly) 62.4 million MJ if you put it in combustion engines. Even at the overly optimistic estimate of 61.7 million you're still missing out. And that's not even including the massive overhead of building the damn thing in the first place AND the engines. See here for more on why boilers suck so much. I really wish they were better because they look so awesome, but unfortunately they are just... useless.
And don't even think about putting it into a Bio Generator or a Diesel Generator, because that ratio is terrible. Seriously, that's 32k EU versus 200k MJ. That's a ratio of about 6 MJ to 1 EU when the normal ratio is 2 MJ to 5 EU. If you're on FTB Ultimate, use Power Converters. If you're not, use a magma crucible and (geo)thermal generators, because even a lousy 1:1 ratio is much better than 6:1.
Don't use a steam boiler either. Example here for 312 buckets of biofuel. You get about 61.7 million MJ (and that number is too high) in a steam boiler, but you get (exactly) 62.4 million MJ if you put it in combustion engines. Even at the overly optimistic estimate of 61.7 million you're still missing out. And that's not even including the massive overhead of building the damn thing in the first place AND the engines. See here for more on why boilers suck so much. I really wish they were better because they look so awesome, but unfortunately they are just... useless.
And don't even think about putting it into a Bio Generator or a Diesel Generator, because that ratio is terrible. Seriously, that's 32k EU versus 200k MJ. That's a ratio of about 6 MJ to 1 EU when the normal ratio is 2 MJ to 5 EU. If you're on FTB Ultimate, use Power Converters. If you're not, use a magma crucible and (geo)thermal generators, because even a lousy 1:1 ratio is much better than 6:1.
Anyone have any numbers on the efficiency of the different ways to produce EU with biofuel? I plan on going this route as well and am really interested in which IS the most efficient. I'm not the best with math or else I would crunch the numbers myself.
Nice troll. You included heat-up phase?
Example here, for a period of 312 buckets (or 8 hours 45 mins) in an already warmed up, constantly fed, 36HP boiler (like most people run once they establish their biofuel source)
= more like 90 Million MJ
or enough steam for 2 Steam Turbines (200 EU/t) and 2 ISE (16 MJ/t)
Nice troll. You included heat-up phase?
Example here, for a period of 312 buckets (or 8 hours 45 mins) in an already warmed up, constantly fed, 36HP boiler (like most people run once they establish their biofuel source)
= more like 90 Million MJ
or enough steam for 2 Steam Turbines (200 EU/t) and 2 ISE (16 MJ/t)
I doubt it was an intentional troll. Some people simply took the idea of the heatup being massively inefficient too far. I will say this though, if not on a chunk-loaded server you should never touch super large boilers, they are exclusively the realm of 24/7 operation.
or for SSP, because, if you log off, the boiler stops working. and it resumes right when you log on. which is nice.
on a SMP-world however, you need to take care that it gets supply all the time AND consume the energy, else it's just waste.
on a SMP-world however, you need to take care that it gets supply all the time AND consume the energy, else it's just waste.
This is why I use the excess energy to create oil with the ultimate pack you get MFR and that has an oil fabricator. You dont gain a ton of energy but at least its very condensed and can be refined into fuel to power stuff later. I consider it a liquid battery.
But the amount of fuel you consume for the heatup phase on a massive boiler only pays off vs even a mid size boiler after Several days of continuous operation. Unless you are actually playing for 8+ hours per day you will never hit the point where the heatup phase pays for itself vs non-boiler or smaller boiler options.
hmmm, no
a 36 hp boiler has a startup phase of 6 hours. means: I can do that during a nice afternoon.
and then it just runs, whenever I am online and so on. since the boiler is offline (with everything else in the world during the offline-time), I don't have a problem at all...
a 36 hp boiler has a startup phase of 6 hours. means: I can do that during a nice afternoon.
and then it just runs, whenever I am online and so on. since the boiler is offline (with everything else in the world during the offline-time), I don't have a problem at all...
You seem to not be understanding the point. Your 36 HP boiler consumes a MASSIVE amount of fuel in that 6 hours. Such a massive amount of fuel that you would have produced more MJ per unit of fuel using a smaller solution. yes, the 36 is more efficient once at max heat, but that small savings in fuel takes a long time to overcome the significantly larger heat-up cost (not in time, in fuel). If you have unlimited fuel quantities then it does not matter what solution you use, do whatever the heck you want, there is no 'ideal' or 'right' answer other than possibly maximizing output for space used. If however we are actually talking about fuel efficiency, you should leave the mega large boilers for 24/7 operation.
exactly, that's the point. once it reached max temperature.
since I already discovered ~20-30k buckets oil (a lot of oil wells) and a 1000x1000 block large redstone biome (lithium + sodium for the semifluid generator), and I always have the possibilitly to either make turn uranium into oil (oil fabricator) or run with the standard tree farms (steves carts + xycraft-soil+xxlbiomes firs), I always get enough fuel for the boiler.
so, even if the boiler is running although I don't need the energy, I don't loose anything. and since there is a nice machine called oil fabricator, part of the minefabricator reloaded mod, I can even run the boiler at full heat without loss (actually, this setup would produce energy, as mentioned earlier. I just think that this will get nerfed soon)...
so, you are right, powering up a boiler is expensive... but once it is running.. you get profit. and you would keep it running...
and regarding 24/7: in single player mode, logging off means, everything else stops working. it's easy to understand.
since I already discovered ~20-30k buckets oil (a lot of oil wells) and a 1000x1000 block large redstone biome (lithium + sodium for the semifluid generator), and I always have the possibilitly to either make turn uranium into oil (oil fabricator) or run with the standard tree farms (steves carts + xycraft-soil+xxlbiomes firs), I always get enough fuel for the boiler.
so, even if the boiler is running although I don't need the energy, I don't loose anything. and since there is a nice machine called oil fabricator, part of the minefabricator reloaded mod, I can even run the boiler at full heat without loss (actually, this setup would produce energy, as mentioned earlier. I just think that this will get nerfed soon)...
so, you are right, powering up a boiler is expensive... but once it is running.. you get profit. and you would keep it running...
and regarding 24/7: in single player mode, logging off means, everything else stops working. it's easy to understand.
I give up. You seem to not grasp the basic concept, but thats ok, cause you have stated you have unlimited fuel, efficiency matter absolutely 0 at that point, feel free to dump half of it into void pipes, it makes no difference.
Oh, I know, lets do a transportation analogy!
A 36 boiler is a very large train. If you are covering a long distance it will get you there in good time, and using very little fuel. If you only need to travel one block though it is going to consume a ton of fuel, and take forever relative to a car, or even walking.
If we compare a race in a high speed train to a car. At first the car pulls way out in front. It takes a lot longer for the train to get up to speed. Eventually the train reaches max speed, but at this point the car has a huge lead. It takes even longer for the higher top speed train to overtake the car. here speed is the same thing as efficiency. The super low efficiency early means that you lose by selecting the large boiler for your production unless you not only cap it out at max temp, but leave it there long enough to make up the ground it lost. In SSP, you will almost never get to that point unless you are playing a TON.
So in short, you are saying that after 6h your train is going 110 mph, while I am sitting in my car going 60mph, but with a 300 mile lead on you and laughing at your failure to maths.
Oh, I know, lets do a transportation analogy!
A 36 boiler is a very large train. If you are covering a long distance it will get you there in good time, and using very little fuel. If you only need to travel one block though it is going to consume a ton of fuel, and take forever relative to a car, or even walking.
If we compare a race in a high speed train to a car. At first the car pulls way out in front. It takes a lot longer for the train to get up to speed. Eventually the train reaches max speed, but at this point the car has a huge lead. It takes even longer for the higher top speed train to overtake the car. here speed is the same thing as efficiency. The super low efficiency early means that you lose by selecting the large boiler for your production unless you not only cap it out at max temp, but leave it there long enough to make up the ground it lost. In SSP, you will almost never get to that point unless you are playing a TON.
So in short, you are saying that after 6h your train is going 110 mph, while I am sitting in my car going 60mph, but with a 300 mile lead on you and laughing at your failure to maths.
Efficiency? BAH this is MC sometimes not being efficient is just plan cool to build.
Personaly as long as your getting the power to do what you want and have the supplies to keep it going who really cares about efficiency?
Personaly as long as your getting the power to do what you want and have the supplies to keep it going who really cares about efficiency?