Bee ohh geez im lost on bees

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Jeff Fisher

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Is the only way to get say like Cultivated and the higher tier Princesses by starting from the bottom of the chain again and mutating up the line for each princess? Like if I wanted 4 Cultivated Princesses is there any way of getting the other 3 once I get 1 of them other then mutating a forest + meadows to a common and then the common with forest to get Cultivated 3 times?

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purplefantum

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You can take alot of cultivated drones and breed them with another princess using a pure drone every time, it will eventually overwrite the princess into a pure bred cultivated, if it doesn't mutate into industrial or imperial branches. That's the easy way, the longer more expensive way is to get the genetic machines set up, isolate the cultivated species and inject it into a princess.
 

mocklaceo444

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He could also inoculate existing bees with high fertility traits with the cultivated species serum and go from there.
 

Guswut

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Is the only way to get say like Cultivated and the higher tier Princesses by starting from the bottom of the chain again and mutating up the line for each princess? Like if I wanted 4 Cultivated Princesses is there any way of getting the other 3 once I get 1 of them other then mutating a forest + meadows to a common and then the common with forest to get Cultivated 3 times?

Thanks

Yeah, bees are tough. I have yet to even really start on them because I don't want to dedicate a bit of my life just yet, you know?

The best advice I've heard, though, is to always keep at least ONE backup of a purebred of each type. This won't help you now, but it should in the future.

Good luck!
 

Jeff Fisher

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Hmm I am actually kinda interested in the extra bees machines. I found some old outdated videos but they wernt much help since there are alot of new machines. Does anyone know of some good video tutorials or guides on Extra bees machines, Or Bees in general?

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mocklaceo444

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I learned most of my ExtraBees stuff from GenerikB. Most of it was guessing though, they're very simple machines once you figure the basic layout.
 

Guswut

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I learned most of my ExtraBees stuff from GenerikB. Most of it was guessing though, they're very simple machines once you figure the basic layout.

I will second GenerikB as a good source for informative and amusing Let's Plays regarding bees. His stuff gets even more amusing when he starts getting into the bees that do more than sting.
 
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Bibble

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Copied from a similar thread a few days ago:
The princess is (as said before), either the original species, the drone species, or a mutation (good or bad). You can't mutate your way "back" along a branch, but you can overwrite.

My suggestion (and what I ended up doing):
Find a load of pure bees (Forest, Meadows, Marshy, Tropical, Wintry, etc.). For each of them, pair the princessess and drones, and make a repeating hive (princesses/drone automatically taken out, and put back into the same hive, excess stored elsewhere). This will amass you a stock of pure, basic drones. You can typically overwrite a princess with between 2 and 10 drones (depending on how lucky/unlucky you are). As you go up the mutations (common, cultivated, noble, etc.), attempt to purify the species, and get a breeding pair of pur bees. Add those to your stock.

This means that you can have a set of "experimental" bees, and a set of "producing" bees. The experimentals can be rewritten and changed to try and produce a specific mutation, rather than trying to take a hive bee from basic to the top tier in one go.


Just to be sure, what I mean by rewriting is that you can take a stack of, for intsance 10 drones, and put them in the drone part of the apiary. When the pipe tries to put the descendants in, it can't because the slot is full, so they go off to storage. The princess is inserted, and they breed.

If you start with a pure diligent princess (which you don't want), and put a stack of 10 cultivated drones in, the first mating will be pure and pure, with approx. 50/50 hybrids, the second will be 75/25 in favour of cultivated, and the third will be 87/12. This changes due to the chances and mutations, but, as I said, it usually only takes a few cycles for a complete overwrite.
 

Celestialphoenix

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Tartarus.. I mean at work. Same thing really.
Turning Bibble's numbers into actual bee cycles;

The first cycle is always a hybrid of the two (ingoring mutations- look out of that and try to clone with non-mutatable pairs)

Dominant onto recessive: 2-3 cycles. (usually 2)
Dominant/Recessive onto like: 2-4 cycles (usually 3)
Recessive onto Dominant: 3-6 cycles (usually 4)

(this is my average from my breeding, if you're unlucky it'll take a bit longer- my pure unwary and primeval took over 10 cycles, while turning a marbled bee noble took 2)


Refining specific traits can take a bit longer, and usually needs a bit of luck- high fertility helps a lot here. (pay extra attention to fertility when breeding your rocky branch!!)
 

Skullywag

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Once you have a pure breeding pair any spare drones you can use in the isolator to get the "species serum" then its just a case of getting some charges purifying them and inoculating any old princess until she cant take anymore, job done new princess with the same species as your pure one.
 

Bibble

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Once you have a pure breeding pair any spare drones you can use in the isolator to get the "species serum" then its just a case of getting some charges purifying them and inoculating any old princess until she cant take anymore, job done new princess with the same species as your pure one.
Princesses don't die if your serum is of top quality. Also, the synthesization/purification/inoculation routine is a pain. I tend to use drones (which you can stack in the apiary and all is good) for general breeding (unless I'm aiming for a specific combination), and have a set of "awesomizing" serums for a finished princess.
 

Skullywag

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I know the princess dont die i never mentioned that...

Also once i have a bee i want to copy i tend to use the sequencer and splicer....speeds up the process...the inoculation route is tedious due to time but it is an option.