automating bees.. Frames?

[Jeff Fisher]

Ok well Im very new to bees infact I just started messing with them. I have been playing ftb for over a month now and Loving it. I'm have a server that my friend and I play on and I have it running the newest Mindcrack pack atm.

I figured out how to automate the bees part of bees, kinda lol (simple gate to pulse when there are no queens or princess that just gois into a advanced insertion out out to a chest). I cant decide on a good way to keep them stocked with frames tho..

The options I came up with so far are just:
* Buildcraft pipes in a loop with advanced insertion pipe ( I have additional pipes installed)
* redpower 2 managers 1 to keep each chest stocked with 3 frames and a buildcraft gate on the apiarys to request those 3 frames when there is none.. ( really expensive and overly complicated)
* and umm.. ya.. Thats all i came up with so far lol.. My automation skillz are basic so far. I have a sorting system started in my base using redpower 2 and buildcraft but when it comes to sending exact amounts of an item into an inventory when it needs it without overflow I don't have many ideas.

The buildcraft pipe loop is pretty cheap but you have items going around in the pipes constantly and lagging up the server.

Anyone more experienced with the modded minecraft have any suggestions?

Thanks

 

[MilConDoin]

If you want frames in your apiary, you have to insert them yourself. Sengir coded it that way deliberately, and fixed exploits which could circumvent this (e.g. routers from factorization).

 

[jumpfight5]

I think an Alevary can be automated, I heard it around before, but I have yet to get into bees.

 

[Jeff Fisher]

If you want frames in your apiary, you have to insert them yourself. Sengir coded it that way deliberately, and fixed exploits which could circumvent this (e.g. routers from factorization).

Why would he be against automating them, I mean a big theme with most the mods in ftb is automation.. Can you automate alveary? I dont know much about bees I thought you HAD to use frames to get anything out of the bees..

 

[jumpfight5]

Yeah, I didn't understand that either, though bees are an easy way to get almost any material. But I think Alvearies are non-framed, then with the extrabees mod, they can get frames, and those frames can be automated. So an alevary (frames or not) will allow you to automate bees.

But I'm not good with bees, that's just what I've read and heard around the forums.

 

[Jeff Fisher]

well looks like I need to look into royal jelly then.. hmm anyone have more info on this? thanks

 

[MilConDoin]

I don't know his reasons, but I can try to guess them:
Apiaries are very cheap, espcially in contrast to alvearies. If the frames could be automated, alvearies would almost never be used. Also: It is extremely easy to get wood and string, so the cheapest frames aren't relevant from a standpoint of cost. If insertion could be automated, there would be exactly zero incentive to use the better frames, since all three (I'm talking only about the original frames from Sengir) give the same benefit, they only differ in durability.

 

[Jeff Fisher]

I don't know his reasons, but I can try to guess them:
Apiaries are very cheap, espcially in contrast to alvearies. If the frames could be automated, alvearies would almost never be used. Also: It is extremely easy to get wood and string, so the cheapest frames aren't relevant from a standpoint of cost. If insertion could be automated, there would be exactly zero incentive to use the better frames, since all three (I'm talking only about the original frames from Sengir) give the same benefit, they only differ in durability.

Yah that makes sense..You can automate the alvearies tho?

 

[knight2109]

Yes you can automate alvearies, i had some question as to how but i figured out a way with some help

 

[vineet]

How do you automate alvearies?

 

[Mero]

From what I heard apiaries used to produce more combs. This made it very easy to automate the process and get chest after chest full of combs simply be letting the game run overnight.
So apiaries were nerfed or queens or whatever it was so that comb production was brought to a crawl and frames can only be inserted by the player.

I'm sure someone can tell you the correct specifics but that is the basic idea.
It was made so that you can't just run one apiarie automatically and get infinite combs quickly.

 

[vineet]

From what I heard apiaries used to produce more combs. This made it very easy to automate the process and get chest after chest full of combs simply be letting the game run overnight.
So apiaries were nerfed or queens or whatever it was so that comb production was brought to a crawl and frames can only be inserted by the player.

I'm sure someone can tell you the correct specifics but that is the basic idea.
It was made so that you can't just run one apiarie automatically and get infinite combs quickly.

But you can still automatically put in bees in alvearies?

 

[Giddimani]

But you can still automatically put in bees in alvearies?

You can also automatically put bees in an apiary, just the frame slot is blocked.

The apiary has a basic speed of 10% of the alveary but each (forestry) frame adds 20% speed up to a maximum of 70% speed of the alveary.

You can let the bees run in apiaries without frames automatically but (many) bees will produce less honey than they would need to analyze them, so don't analyze them if you have a stable species.

 

[Hydra]

If the queen is fully pure the drones she'll produce will actually stack. And if you analyse a stack of those drones it will only take 1 honey. I only analyse those drones before turning them into DNA though since you pretty much know what they are anyway.

Also: if you have automated producing setups even with apiaries without frames you'll get a LOT of combs from "fast" industrious or imperial bees. Especially if it's running 24/7.

It's good to produce a lot of drones that way so you can later move to the extra bees machines which need a lot of DNA and a lot of power.

 

[Celestialphoenix]

Has anyone tested if golems can put frames into an apiary?

 

[Giddimani]

If the queen is fully pure the drones she'll produce will actually stack. And if you analyse a stack of those drones it will only take 1 honey.

I analyze with the Analyzer which use liquid honey and are feed with RP2 Relays, does the stacking and "cheat analyze" thing also work there?

It's good to produce a lot of drones that way so you can later move to the extra bees machines which need a lot of DNA and a lot of power.

Just make bees with shortest lifespan and maximum fertility, you will have so much DNA you don't know what to do with it without analyzing anything and wasting ressources.

 

[Hydra]

I analyze with the Analyzer which use liquid honey and are feed with RP2 Relays, does the stacking and "cheat analyze" thing also work there?

No idea actually

 

[Mero]

Having the drones stack (again?) was a recent change.
I know the last time I really messed with bees, magic pack launch, drones didn't stack.

 

[vineet]

Has anyone tested if golems can put frames into an apiary?

I think only the player can put frames in alvearies and such.

 

[WTFFFS]

Has anyone tested if golems can put frames into an apiary?

Haven't tested but Golems respect ISidedInventory so I doubt it, as Sengir has coded the Apiaries specifically to not allow any automated frame insertion so the frame slots are not visible to any inventory accessing method. Unless it is a very badly coded one, so if you want to automate frames go find Billyjoebobs (who is 12) awesome mod and use that (note Billyjoebobs awesome mod does not exist)