Any change my world dosnt have diamonds?

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platium1337

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Is there a changes that there is no diamonds in my world?
I've ben mining for ages now and i have almost double chest full of ores and nothing else...
I have an huge mine and havent found any diamonds?
 

SilvasRuin

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No mod in the pack changes the generation of diamonds. If you can't find any, use the macerator and compressor to manufacture then from coal.
 

Poppycocks

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Well, if you're mining at the right level and your mine really is huge, then you're probably just on a streak of bad luck. Try to mine some more, who knows, you might find a bunch right around the corner.
 

Antice

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what level are you mining at? the best level is usually around 11/12- so you don't get no lava on your head.
Diamonds spawn anywhere from level 1 to 16 tho. so a branch mine at level 12 will miss the diamonds in any particular chunk almost 80% of the time.
if you have branched out a chunk without finding any in that particular chunk, then i recommend extending your tunnels up towards lvl 16, and down towards bedrock. remember to mark out any chunks where you have already found any tho. there is as a general rule only one diamond vein per chunk.
 

ajskuce

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I thought the same thing in my first FTB world, took me ages to find diamond (20-30 branches in my mine) but i eventually found some and in my other FTB world i hit 4 spawns of 4+ diamond in one branch so its all luck.
 

netmc

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yea, my last FTB world was horrible. I went spelunking and branch mining, and didn't find even one. I finally made a IC2 miner and after moving it about a dozen times, came up with 8. :). So horrible luck on my part. By the time I had diamonds, I already had a bunch of forestry farms, a large high pressure railcraft boiler, and a max size, max efficiency reed farm, and several coke ovens. All while waiting for the IC2 miner to find diamonds. ugh. I ended up making 4 or 5 from coal during that time as well.
 

Evil Hamster

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I think minecraft made them rarer at some point. I stopped playing for over a year after MC left beta and when I came back I noticed even my vanilla worlds diamonds seem to be much rarer.
 

Antice

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Well... I just came back from my new world. I now have 2 mining turtles and 8 diamonds. the method i used was to go straight until i found my first diamonds. just went in a straight line til i hit some. this is actually the optimum strategy, since you don't waste time doubling back and running around til you actually have found some. (or run out if inv. space)
I got 5 from this vein.
that gave me enough for my first mining turtle. I made one, and set him to dig out my tunnel so it became a 3x3 instead of the manual 1x2 i made when searching for the first set.
The turtle came halfway to the end of the tunnel, and found diamond i had passed by with only 1 block. That is how close you can be and still miss. it's incredibly common to miss them so narrowly too. frustrating ain't it?
with this find i had enough for a second turtle with still 2 diamonds to spare, so i sent them both out next. 100 blocks straight in 3x3 mode, so that i could expand the first tunnel into a 9x3. this is going to be the start of a big turtle powered strip mine.
This expansion netted another vein of diamonds. 6 this time, also incredibly close to my first tunnel.
I'm now sitting at 8 diamonds and are about to start building my first pulverizer. (I play on hard mode, so this recipe uses diamond in my game instead of the normal flint).

Finding diamonds is an incredibly random controlled event unless you actually dig out entire chunks from the bottom up to layer 16. you should find on average a single vein per chunk, but since caves are generated after the ores, it means that veins are sometimes destroyed by the generation of lava-lakes and caves. they are still the best bet if you are willing to spelunk for them, but the odds is not actually any greater than by branch mining, or strip mining with turtles. I love strip mining with the turtles tho. it's much more fun than doing it by hand. that is for certain.
I really should learn to program them properly tho... I just use a modified version of the default tunnel program, so that the tunnel is a 3x3 instead of the default 3x2 (I hate low ceilings.)
If i was any good at coding i would have programmed them into leaving the ore alone, and instead remove all the stone,gravel, and dirt. (maybe even block off water if it's possible?)
 

Josh

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Once You have one diamond toss it in a 2x2 pool of water with flowers and stuff around and head to twilight forest. Large hallowed hills are awesome. Also surface level of TF is only at 30-40ish so and ravines go almost to bedrock.
 

Enigmius1

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Well... I just came back from my new world. I now have 2 mining turtles and 8 diamonds. the method i used was to go straight until i found my first diamonds. just went in a straight line til i hit some. this is actually the optimum strategy, since you don't waste time doubling back and running around til you actually have found some. (or run out if inv. space)
I got 5 from this vein.
that gave me enough for my first mining turtle. I made one, and set him to dig out my tunnel so it became a 3x3 instead of the manual 1x2 i made when searching for the first set.
The turtle came halfway to the end of the tunnel, and found diamond i had passed by with only 1 block. That is how close you can be and still miss. it's incredibly common to miss them so narrowly too. frustrating ain't it?
with this find i had enough for a second turtle with still 2 diamonds to spare, so i sent them both out next. 100 blocks straight in 3x3 mode, so that i could expand the first tunnel into a 9x3. this is going to be the start of a big turtle powered strip mine.
This expansion netted another vein of diamonds. 6 this time, also incredibly close to my first tunnel.
I'm now sitting at 8 diamonds and are about to start building my first pulverizer. (I play on hard mode, so this recipe uses diamond in my game instead of the normal flint).

Finding diamonds is an incredibly random controlled event unless you actually dig out entire chunks from the bottom up to layer 16. you should find on average a single vein per chunk, but since caves are generated after the ores, it means that veins are sometimes destroyed by the generation of lava-lakes and caves. they are still the best bet if you are willing to spelunk for them, but the odds is not actually any greater than by branch mining, or strip mining with turtles. I love strip mining with the turtles tho. it's much more fun than doing it by hand. that is for certain.
I really should learn to program them properly tho... I just use a modified version of the default tunnel program, so that the tunnel is a 3x3 instead of the default 3x2 (I hate low ceilings.)
If i was any good at coding i would have programmed them into leaving the ore alone, and instead remove all the stone,gravel, and dirt. (maybe even block off water if it's possible?)

Just a minor nitpick, but just because you prefer to do something a certain way doesn't make it the optimal way. Optimal means most likely to produce the desired outcome. There are diamonds in every chunk. The "optimal" method then becomes to remove or expose every block from layers 2-16 in every chunk. This can be done quickly and easily with a mining laser, or more slowly with some thoughtful planning and your vanilla pick of choice.

Either way, finding diamonds is not difficult unless a person doesn't know how to do it, in which case they're apt to waste a tremendous amount of time for little/no return.
 

Antice

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Just a minor nitpick, but just because you prefer to do something a certain way doesn't make it the optimal way. Optimal means most likely to produce the desired outcome. There are diamonds in every chunk. The "optimal" method then becomes to remove or expose every block from layers 2-16 in every chunk. This can be done quickly and easily with a mining laser, or more slowly with some thoughtful planning and your vanilla pick of choice.

Either way, finding diamonds is not difficult unless a person doesn't know how to do it, in which case they're apt to waste a tremendous amount of time for little/no return.
You are wrong, and here is why.
with your method of mining out the entire chunk you have to mine out a 14x14 hole trough the middle of the chunk. only leaving the blocks closes to the chunk boundrary.
that 14x14 hole only reveals 252 previously unseen blocks. and you had to mine out 196 blocks to do it.
That means that for every block you mine out you reveal only 252/196=1,29 blocks.
doing it my way reveals 6 blocks for every 2 blocks mined out, or more apropriately 3 blocks per block mined.
By the time i have mined out the same number of blocks as you i have moved 196/2 = 98 blocks in a single line. the number of blocks revealed by me is therefore a whooping 98*6= 588 blocks.

As you can see. i have seen 3 times as many previously unseen blocks than you in the same amount of time.
Now here is the real kicker in the works. since all unseen blocks have exactly the same chance of being a diamond ore block as any other unseen block residing at or below the layer of 16, that means that i have a 3 times higher chance at finding a diamond during the same timeframe of mining as you do with your method. (practical implementation of gaming theory)
I consider player time valuable, and i do not clear out entire chunks unless i am interested in gathering lots and lots of cobble. I only do so when it can be automated as well, that way I can go do other things instead. Like making my base look purdy.

The reason for not branching, but doing only the straight line, is that it maximizes time spent breaking blocks rather than fiddling around with going back to a central locus unless forced to by having either a full inventory, or being out of tools/food. over time the mine will become more and more like a branch mine, but i never care to make it all even and organized. because that actually does not matter. to your chances of finding what you are looking for.

The issue of most time efficient way to mine for diamonds was settled long ago. back in alpha even. I was there, and we looked at lots and lots of ways to mine for maximizing payoff. In the end, results from experiments showed that gaming theory was the correct one to implement in this case, since diamond is not a geological feature of minecraft, but a result of a predrawn chance based lottery. each block you reveal (as opposed to breaking) is equivalent to buying a lottery ticket. the prize has already been given a number, so all you have to do is buy enough tickets to find one with the correct number on it.
 

Enigmius1

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You are wrong, and here is why.
with your method of mining out the entire chunk you have to mine out a 14x14 hole trough the middle of the chunk. only leaving the blocks closes to the chunk boundrary.

I think maybe you got so worked up in your zeal to spew well intentioned but poorly applied math all over the place that you sort of overlooked a couple of key details

First and foremost, you do not need to clear out a 14x14 hole through the middle of the chunk. You can leave approximately 2/3 of the blocks untouched in order to expose all of them. And unless the diamond vein for that particular chunk happens to be one of the sneaky kind that like to hide under bedrock blocks, you WILL find the diamonds in that chunk.

Compared to your method of running a straight line through multiple chunks, in which case you run the entirely real risk of missing the diamonds in chunk after chunk after chunk.

You can barf all the wonky theorycrafting around that you want, but at the end of the day it's not theory that gets things done, it's practice. Your THEORY only yields results if the random placement of the diamond veins lines up with your straight line. Mine produces results every single time.

You spent a lot of time typing math that was entirely irrelevant to the discussion. It's not about how many blocks you'll uncover per, and there are so many errors in your hypothesis you're better off never posting math in a reply to me again, because I won't take you seriously.
 

1ManleyMiner

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Mining tunnels in parallel patterns 1 block wide by 3 blocks high separated by 2 (or 3) blocks spacing will allow you to never (almost with the 3) miss a diamond unless it's under bedrock. Level up/down 2 block spacing for floors. Been doing it for a year in vanilla and always had plenty of diamonds.

More patterns here.
http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Mining#Branch_Mining

Now... to just learn enough of that damn turtle language to make it do that instead of 3x2 tunnels. ;)
 

Antice

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I think maybe you got so worked up in your zeal to spew well intentioned but poorly applied math all over the place that you sort of overlooked a couple of key details

First and foremost, you do not need to clear out a 14x14 hole through the middle of the chunk. You can leave approximately 2/3 of the blocks untouched in order to expose all of them. And unless the diamond vein for that particular chunk happens to be one of the sneaky kind that like to hide under bedrock blocks, you WILL find the diamonds in that chunk.

you are wasting time by doing this. you are getting less diamonds per time unit spent mining. patterns are meaningless when you are looking for what is basically a random distribution. also diamonds comes in veins. a vein is not a single tile wide. it's usually from 2 to 3 blocks wide.


Compared to your method of running a straight line through multiple chunks, in which case you run the entirely real risk of missing the diamonds in chunk after chunk after chunk.
missing diamonds by passing the by like that is no big deal. that is not the measure of success. the measure of success is average time spent per diamond find. and that measure always comes down to how many blocks you reveal per minute. with veins actually being larger than 1 block in any direction, coupled with the fact that a chunk has a 16x16 cross section you can do the math yourself and see that not as many veins as you think that are actually missed. i generally find diamonds way before i have gone 200 blocks in total. and with a steady rate click mining those 200 blocks are pretty fast.

You can barf all the wonky theorycrafting around that you want, but at the end of the day it's not theory that gets things done, it's practice. Your THEORY only yields results if the random placement of the diamond veins lines up with your straight line. Mine produces results every single time.

Where did i claim that you wouldn't find any? I never wrote that so you need to learn how to read properly before spewing bile all over the internets. This was all about finding diamonds with the least amount of effort/time. your method wastes time breaking more blocks than needed. it's as simple as that. patterns are irrelevant for how fast you are at finding diamonds. or any other resource for that matter. it all comes down to uncovered blocks per minute. nothing else actually matters. the world is (with the help of mystcraft) infinite.

You spent a lot of time typing math that was entirely irrelevant to the discussion. It's not about how many blocks you'll uncover per, and there are so many errors in your hypothesis you're better off never posting math in a reply to me again, because I won't take you seriously.

The math was a response to your claim that the best way was to single out one chunk at a time. you were wrong, and still are. if you have proof otherwise then by all means post it, but Spewing out bile is not going to cut it with me, nor most other adult forum goers.
If bile is all you got then you don't have a leg to stand on in any discussion about anything. Therefore, You loose.
 

SilvasRuin

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To be fair, if you can find a chunk without caves at the appropriate level, and those do exist, then there IS a chance to wind up having to dig through far more blocks in a straight line than you would using the branch pattern within that chunk... because the presence (not location) of diamonds is not random when a chunk is without caves. It becomes an inevitability in that situation, whereas the "law of averages" employed by digging in a straight line isn't a true inevitability.

But that is a gamble and it's ultimately up to whether you want to risk not finding diamonds in that time in order to go about it faster or if you don't mind having a bit of a slowdown in order to have more reliable results.
 

Enigmius1

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you are wasting time by doing this. you are getting less diamonds per time unit spent mining. patterns are meaningless when you are looking for what is basically a random distribution. also diamonds comes in veins. a vein is not a single tile wide. it's usually from 2 to 3 blocks wide.

You're trying to argue abstracts. It doesn't work that way. You're arguing probability and ignoring outliers, and when you're talking about the probability of finding a diamond vein that is (to give you a fighting chance) three blocks wide in a roughly 16x16x10 rectangle when your search pattern consists of a straight line 2-3 blocks high and one block wide, those outliers are pretty darn significant. You're leaving too much ground untouched.

When you isolate a chunk and work methodically, you'll find the diamonds. And if a person wants to get full dork on the situation, they can work an "optimal" pattern. I don't get where you're arriving at the conclusion that the only way to ensure you're uncovering new blocks with every block you destroy is to mine in a straight line. I don't think you're understanding how to be properly methodical.

And for record (all in the name of "science", of course) I decided to test my methodology of a clean, efficient, thorough chunk search. First diamonds were located within 30 seconds of starting, second chunk within a minute and same with the third chunk. All three chunks yielded diamonds, all three chunks did so quickly, and it's a method that I can pass along to anyone with confidence and say, "If you do it like this, you'll find the diamonds like I did." Some guy using a mining pick isn't going to find them as fast as I did because I was using a mining laser, but they'll find the diamonds. It's a guarantee, because the game code says it is.

The best you can offer is, "You'll probably find them" or "you'll find them sooner or later."


missing diamonds by passing the by like that is no big deal. that is not the measure of success. the measure of success is average time spent per diamond find. and that measure always comes down to how many blocks you reveal per minute. with veins actually being larger than 1 block in any direction, coupled with the fact that a chunk has a 16x16 cross section you can do the math yourself and see that not as many veins as you think that are actually missed. i generally find diamonds way before i have gone 200 blocks in total. and with a steady rate click mining those 200 blocks are pretty fast.

I go 20 blocks, you barely almost never usually have to go 200, but you've got the lock on "optimal". Right. Sometimes you need to see optimal to realize just how sub-optimal you really are.

Where did i claim that you wouldn't find any? I never wrote that so you need to learn how to read properly before spewing bile all over the internets.

Where did I claim you claimed I wouldn't find any?

I can see you're taking this personally, and that usually means that if this keeps going you're just going to get more and more incoherent in a desperate attempt to discredit me because your actual argument is garbage, so let's just cut out the middle man and call it done? You win. Bad is the new optimal. Fill yer boots.
 

Memorian

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The most important missed point in this discussion is we dont play vanilla, if we want to remove an entire chunk from layer 16 we can easily do this. The best way to find diamonds is with automation
 
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Enigmius1

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The most important missed point in this discussion is we dont play vanilla, if we want to remove an entire chunk from layer 16 we can easily do this. The best way to find diamonds is with automation

I don't disagree with you, but if someone is just starting out in a new world and they've yet to find a single diamond, vanilla methods are still relevant. Later on, yes...mining wells, quarries, turtles, frame/forcefield miners (my personal favorite), mining lasers, etc...all make pinpointing specific resources much less prone to failure.