Advice for focal manipulation

[Cosmology27]

So I'm pretty sure I've screwed this up a bit, but I'd like some advice and instruction on exactly what is happening here, and how to continue.

My goal was to find a strong node, put it on an advanced stabalizer, then energize it, and continually feed it nodes so it keeps getting stronger, thus allowing me to upgrade foci faster. I found a node with humanus, and energized it. It seems to have ruined the node, because now it only shows the 6 primals. Was this a bad idea?
Also, should I even bother feeding nodes to this node? Will that actually help it make centri vis faster? Or would it be better to just make more energized nodes in my focus manipulator room?

Also, what else even uses centri vis? As far as I can tell, the focal manipulator is the only useful thing.

Thanks for the help!

 

[adamich]

My goal was to find a strong node, put it on an advanced stabalizer, then energize it, and continually feed it nodes so it keeps getting stronger, thus allowing me to upgrade foci faster.

If U want to grow node then DO NOT ENERGIZE IT. It will not grow.

I found a node with humanus, and energized it. It seems to have ruined the node, because now it only shows the 6 primals.

If U energize node with non primal aspects, then it "break" aspects down to primal. energized node has only primal "aspects" - vis.

Will that actually help it make centri vis faster? Or would it be better to just make more energized nodes in my focus manipulator room?

for early/mid game better found several nodes and energize them. But for mid++ it would be better to grow one big.

 

[Someone Else 37]

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Also, what else even uses centri vis? As far as I can tell, the focal manipulator is the only useful thing.

Thanks for the help!

Almost everything in TC that used to run on essentia, save the infusion altar and Thaumatorium, now uses centi-vis. The most useful is probably the Vis Charging Relay, which lets you recharge a wand or sceptre without taking it out of the arcane workbench. Other centi-vis users include the Infernal Furnace, Advanced Arcane Furnace, Flux Scrubber, Arcane Bore, Essentia Crystallizers (ok, they can run without centi-vis, but do so extremely slowly without it), and probably several more that I'm forgetting.

 

[adamich]

mmm, wand - yes, but a truely remember that sceptre do not fit in arcane workbench.
WAT? infusion altar use vis? not essentia but vis?

Other centi-vis users include the Infernal Furnace, Advanced Arcane Furnace, Flux Scrubber, Arcane Bore, Essentia Crystallizers (ok, they can run without centi-vis, but do so extremely slowly without it), and probably several more that I'm forgetting

addition: they use different type vis: Essentia Crystallizers use terra vis, Infernal Furnace ignus vis

 

[Azzanine]

6 primals huh? At what strengths?
Didn't know humanus broke down in to all primals. You lucked out for a good starter node.

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[adamich]

1:1
in Ur case:
1 Humanus = 1 bestia + 1 cognitio
1 bestia = 1 motus + 1 victus
1 motus = 1 aer + 1 ordo
1 victus = 1 aqua + 1 terra
1 cognitio = 1 ignis + 1 spiritus
1 spiritus = 1 victus + 1 mortus
1 mortus = 1 victus + 1 perdito
so
1 Humanus = 1 aer + 1 ordo + 1 aqua + 1 terra + 1 ignis + 1 aqua + 1 terra + 1 aqua + 1 terra + 1 perdito = 1 aer + 1 ordo + 3 aqua + 3 terra + 1 ignis +1 perdito
Not bad, not bad

 

[GreenZombie]

If you want a really large thaumcraft engineering project to create a massive node that has hundreds of CV/t - find a hungry node, box it in obsidian, and feed it crafting benches until you can't take it any more.

If you want a quick and dirty general purpose node, find a node with compound aspects that are made up of all the primals you need. When you energize it it will reflect the underlying primals as though they started with the same total essentia as the compound. This is not additive. If you find a node with Fabrico 50 and Ignis 50 the energized node will only have 7cv/t (sqrt(50)).

If you want a large general purpose node, the lack of additive combination means the most effective way is to find nodes that contain ONLY primal aspects. Bottle bright nodes until one does not degrade. This will be the center of a node growth room. Create a 7x7x7 room, place the bright node in the center, and place smaller - also only-primal - nodes in the corners. As the bright node grows, place the other nodes. Use tick accelerators to speed this process - or be patient.

Why only 'plain' nodes? Because every tick event that causes the bully to steal a non primal aspect point is essentially wasted as the plain primal totals will/should be larger.
Why is the center node bright? Bright nodes get a 20% bonus to their aspect totals when the cv/t is calculated.
Why a 7x7x7 room? Because this means the contributing nodes do not bully each other but are all bullied equally by the center node. This gives them time to recharge between bully events allowing them to contribute to the bully nodes growth for a longer time.
Why tick accelerators? Because the 7x7x7 arrangement keeps all the contributing nodes far away from the center node, so the rate of bully events is much lower than if the bully was directly adjacent to a victim. This means the process can be quite slow.

Assuming you don't need this done in one day, this will easilly start pushing the low 100's in all primals at which point you can energize it for a minimum of 10cv/t in each aspect.

 

[Cosmology27]

Awesome thanks, this really helps a ton