A Whiny Rant

[Reddis]

I am very frustrated with my inability to right the right MC server to play on. All I want is a very small server of friendly people, on a white listed, private server, to play a kitchen sink mod with. The few times I have found great people to play with, the server shuts down or the people and I have completely different schedules. I swear I know the names of the majority of the server owners, which ones I've applied to, which ones never replied.

Yes, I know this post makes me a whiny b%@$&, thank you for listening.

 

[Azzanine]

That's modded smp for you. One of the disadvantages of modded play is that on top of the issues you mentioned is that the choice of mod packs will fracture the already small player base.
Finding a good server with not only good people but with decent rules and competent admins is hard.

TBH the only options you have is to just soldier on or give up on the modded SMP scene.

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[GreenZombie]

Servers running modded MC are particularly problematic. Vanilla servers are very event and build focused. But modded servers have a higher minimum spec, require more technical users to install, and tend to attract players who are interested in progression content rather than building for buildings sake (see the many threads talking about "the grind" and "Expert mode"). This yields (after much argument about which mod pack to include) a burst of early activity, in which these players automate all the things... followed by a decline in numbers as they grow bored as there is nothing left to do. The server will be performing poorly due to the chunkloaders they have left behind and general lag issues caused by mods that are, frankly, unsuitable for long term server play. This, and the general boredom will start a clamoring for a server reset, perhaps with a different modpack.

Annoyed with a client that performs poorly due to hundreds of mods, a server that performs poorly due to loads of chunkloaded stuff, and frequent resets of their world, the casual builders retreat to vanilla servers leaving your typical modded server rather abandoned.

If it required donations to keep going, it shuts down - leaving the "hyrbrid" players such as myself - who like modded minecraft, but as a foundation on which to do large builds - without servers to play on.

 

[Reddis]

It was refreshing to see constructive replies rather than a bunch of suck it up buttercup type replies. In a way it is also comforting to hear that this is completely common from people who have probably been playing longer than me. Like you Chris, I am a hybrid player, I mostly enjoy progression with a little bit of pretty building sprinkled in so my massive big reactor with turbine doesn't look like a complete eyesore.

 

[Acredium]

Sounds all to familiar. I've been on alot of servers in the last year. Really looking for a group that works, and mostly, builds together. It seems most people just want to make quick progress in a cave.
But it must be out there ... that one server

 

[Reddis]

Just for an FYI, if anyone has the same type of tastes I do, I would be happy to contribute a little to a private server's expenses. I just can't host one my self, wife would kill me.

 

[AndersWithTheCat]

I do Agree indeed. even though im probaly one of those ''owners'' but will say one thing never or less its harder then you think to even make a server were everyone need to be in the fully community minded group. second off people allways have all kind of taste in how to build,live, etc... personally im a Hybrid type to normally i personally build very nice bases above ground such as castles, mansions etc... but at my server iv tryed to find a very nice place to live a the first idea i found was a little lake to make a lake house were everything Larger is down stairs!

Edit: Oh hey Reddis didn't see it was your post, i hope you still like the type of server else tell me in a PM what you think should be changed!

 

[Arcanuo]

Like @Chris Becke said Modded Minecraft has always been an issue to shape the perfect community due to progression. Most of Mod packs are a form of progression and the hive mindset is once you've completed X your done with the pack. My major issue with HQM styled packs. I love them don't get me wrong.

The progression mindset combined with high operating requirements and general lag over the servers existence creates a substandard community in general unless combated.

 

[Reddis]

Anders: I would like to give your server a free plug actually. You always have someone on, even if it is 1 person, they are all friendly and 1 even went out of their way to bring me some wool after I tromped around looking for sheep longer than I wanted lol. Your server is also lag free from what I have seen, that is a huge plus. My only complaint is I got a little frustrated with the amplified world, takes 3x longer to get anywhere. I may still be back on your server yet... now that I have some wool to make a bed, those deaths aren't near as bad.

 

[Azzanine]

I also think its mainly how modded minecraft works and loads mods. You need the client to be somewhat identical to the server. So unless you want to DL every pack you have to choose one pack. Choose the unpopular pack and you become so out of luck.

It's funny too, the idea of specific modpacks was to make it simpler for multiplayers to sync up and play without having to worry about mod differences. This however made things too rigid in comparison to other games.
If the mods loaded modularly during the game mod packs wouldn't nessesarily be a big thing. That being said modding seems to be simpler in those games as you are limited to a pretty narrow API. As far a I know Minecraft modders really really toy with the guts of the game hard.

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[AndersWithTheCat]

Good to hear @Reddis i do aswell hope you enjoy the server as much as everybody else, for the lag free part im one of those persons that hate lag so even if this server will get lag, ill right away start contacting the support of the host if there can't do anything ill buy a Dedi right away. for the time zone change on your part there 2-4 US player on the whitelist so far there might be a few to come but at the moment im trying to be abit strict who can join as we just passed the 10players mark

 

[GreenZombie]

All that said I consider whitelisting servers to be undesirable. Between forge essentials and my town 2 there are robust permissions mods that actually work for modded servers and being server mods do not require any client side config or mod changes.

 

[Inaeo]

I feel lucky that I've never had to search for a Modded server outside of my RL circle of friends. Having done far too much of that back in my MUD days (yeah, text-based RPG was my life for some years), the quest for the perfect server is often soul crushing.

That said, our group consists of a small number of dedicated players, with the majority of the group being casual passengers. Our lives are varied, so the variance between amount of play time swings wildly. The priorities of each player are also all over the map, which sometimes is a blessing, but leads to frustration as well. The good news is, if anyone acts grievously asshatish, we know where they live.

I have seen a number of server resets and pack changes - some justified, some not IMO. Because I have very limited free time to dump into MC, I often progress slower than my peers. Once they have reached the end of their deemed progression path, the server becomes less visited, until it is essentially a world for me to play in which my potato of a computer wouldn't be able to run on its own merits (I sometimes think NASA had similar processing power during the Apollo missions). Eventually, the consensus is made to begin again - blowing all of my hard work back to the stone age.

Unfortunately, I feel this would be an issue with any server I joined, as my free time is getting less and less free as life goes on. I've come to accept that I will never fully flesh out a world as some of our Community Showcase players have, even though I can see it in my head. As sad as it sounds, sometimes SMP isn't all its cracked up to be, and a SSP world would be more gratifying. But then, if I'm going to drop some free time into a game, it might as well count as a social event.

I didn't mean to derail this, as now that I reread what I have written, I fear I may have. I meant only to say, you're not alone. I feel your pain. Chin up. That Utopia is out there somewhere. Safe travels.

 

[GreenZombie]

The thing that *reall8* confuses me about the server reset crowd, is, especially if the mod pack doesn't change - you can always just put all your stuff in a chest, and head out into the wilderness to start punching a tree again 10km away.

 

[Azzanine]

The thing that *reall8* confuses me about the server reset crowd, is, especially if the mod pack doesn't change - you can always just put all your stuff in a chest, and head out into the wilderness to start punching a tree again 10km away.

It's like those in the "nerf/remove x mod its op" crowd. Some feel compelled to use the op mods if they are the optimal options.
Moveing 10000 blocks away to start again wouldn't work as they'd be too tempted to borrow from their old base. With a server reset it removes that temptation.
They could just yanno not visit their old base but like the mod nerf crowd, they don't have that level of self control.

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[Reddis]

@Inaeo I enjoyed your post and it wasn't as off topic as you might think. I actually have a similar problem, except the mods (or part of mods) I know, I know VERY well, up to the point of having the recipes memorized. I watch other players far more advanced than I am out pace me at warp speed. While it isn't a big deal, there is always that small part of me that feels out of touch.

The stubborn part of me insists on learning things the "right way", by starting at the very beginning of the mod and learning the actual progression so you can understand how it all fits together. The impatient part of me wants to barrow from server mates. I have to admit I learned something last night that I am very excited about! I thought that in order to build crystal growth accelerators (AE2) you have to have 1 seed, 1 crystal, and 1 PURE crystal, which meant I was waiting an obscene amount of time to begin my AE2 network. Someone pointed out last night that you can use 2 regular crystals, which essentially means you can start your network on day 1, if you wanted to.

Every time I start a new world I try to learn a new mod. That's just how I roll.

 

[asb3pe]

Here's my whiny rant about servers...

...why do some people play a modpack for a week or two, never get out of early game, and then decide to move on to another modpack? And why do they do this repeatedly, over and over?

The pattern on our server is always the same. We begin a new world/modpack. Everybody piles in, and for the first week the server is packed. Since I'm retired, I can play more hours than anyone else, so I progress the fastest. Even tho it isn't a race to see who can go the fastest, people begin to fall behind in their progress compared to myself. There are hints of people being upset, jealous, envious, or any other negative human emotion. I begin to notice that some of my stuff is going missing while I'm not on... it depends on the player, but there are always some who seem to have no scruples, no morals or ethics, no compassion or consideration. If they ask me for items, I would very likely freely give it to them. But instead, they sneak in and take, rather than asking.

And then the final phase... people start drifting off. We've played one week in the modpack, maybe two weeks... and now it's more like a ghost town than a bustling server. Eventually, I'm the only one left on that server, the rest have all moved on to another modpack, and at that point I email the server operator and tell him I do not wish to take up an entire server slot just so I can have my own private modpack to play on. LOL So we take the server down, I obtain a copy of it for my own SSP offline play... and we repeat the entire process all over again.

It's pretty comical really, because it always goes exactly the same way. I can't decide if people simply enjoy early game more than mid- or late-game play, or if they're just lazy, or if they just have ADD and can't keep an attention span longer than 2 weeks... I dunno. But it is funny to observe.

 

[asb3pe]

The thing that *reall8* confuses me about the server reset crowd, is, especially if the mod pack doesn't change - you can always just put all your stuff in a chest, and head out into the wilderness to start punching a tree again 10km away.

Glad to see I'm not alone, this pretty much confirm my own rant I just posted, and Chris did it in a lot fewer words. LOL

 

[Lethosos]

It's like those in the "nerf/remove x mod its op" crowd. Some feel compelled to use the op mods if they are the optimal options.
Moveing 10000 blocks away to start again wouldn't work as they'd be too tempted to borrow from their old base. With a server reset it removes that temptation.
They could just yanno not visit their old base but like the mod nerf crowd, they don't have that level of self control.

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Ever consider a self-destruct system in your base? Easily removes most temptations if your former base is a smoking crater in the ground.

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[Arcanuo]

Here's my whiny rant about servers...

...why do some people play a modpack for a week or two, never get out of early game, and then decide to move on to another modpack? And why do they do this repeatedly, over and over?

The pattern on our server is always the same. We begin a new world/modpack. Everybody piles in, and for the first week the server is packed. Since I'm retired, I can play more hours than anyone else, so I progress the fastest. Even tho it isn't a race to see who can go the fastest, people begin to fall behind in their progress compared to myself. There are hints of people being upset, jealous, envious, or any other negative human emotion. I begin to notice that some of my stuff is going missing while I'm not on... it depends on the player, but there are always some who seem to have no scruples, no morals or ethics, no compassion or consideration. If they ask me for items, I would very likely freely give it to them. But instead, they sneak in and take, rather than asking.

And then the final phase... people start drifting off. We've played one week in the modpack, maybe two weeks... and now it's more like a ghost town than a bustling server. Eventually, I'm the only one left on that server, the rest have all moved on to another modpack, and at that point I email the server operator and tell him I do not wish to take up an entire server slot just so I can have my own private modpack to play on. LOL So we take the server down, I obtain a copy of it for my own SSP offline play... and we repeat the entire process all over again.

It's pretty comical really, because it always goes exactly the same way. I can't decide if people simply enjoy early game more than mid- or late-game play, or if they're just lazy, or if they just have ADD and can't keep an attention span longer than 2 weeks... I dunno. But it is funny to observe.

For lack of a better descriptor I'll label what your describing as the "Ooh Shiny" factor. You see this fancy dw20 server and the first thought is Ooh shiny. So they begin gameplay but then they see Infinity and think Ooh even shiner and they think to themselves I'm only early game on dw29, lets go to shinier infinity.