Yeah, I think I'm gonna set up a boiler room under our house, then have a bunch of industrial steam engines working from a large boiler, probably max size, and then have that powering the house and just remove all the magmatics. That'd be awesome... and it'd look a lot nicer! Probably just have it run on biofuel first and then get a refinery going to make fuel and then have it run on that.
Invar ingots? What?
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Pretty much that. Boilers have to be fueled constantly and the biggest and baddest out there produces 144mj/t worth of steam. At max temperature it is 45% more fuel efficient than the other engines and can run off of fuel, biofuel, methane, and creosote oil. A single bucket of fuel will run it for 5 minutes and 3 seconds, so a single fuel bucket can produce roughly 872,640 mj, give or take some due to rounding. This is compared to a single combustion engine producing 600,000 mj per bucket at 6mj/t.
Of course, you can tweak the boiler size as well - smaller boilers don't take as long to heat up and use less fuel, but produce less steam. End game they're very fuel efficient and due to being able to run on biofuel and methane (gregtech) can be easily automated. The problem is when people can fairly easily build a massive amount of magmatic engines and pump the nether dry it doesn't seem as appealing to some people, even though it requires no player input once all of the automated processes are put in place.
Of course, you can tweak the boiler size as well - smaller boilers don't take as long to heat up and use less fuel, but produce less steam. End game they're very fuel efficient and due to being able to run on biofuel and methane (gregtech) can be easily automated. The problem is when people can fairly easily build a massive amount of magmatic engines and pump the nether dry it doesn't seem as appealing to some people, even though it requires no player input once all of the automated processes are put in place.
Well assuming you use a max sized (36) high pressure boiler over a low pressure (high pressure can produce twice the power for slightly more fuel consumption) be aware it takes a little over 5 hours of constant running to fully heat up and will use 697 buckets of forestry biofuel in that time. After that point it will only need ~36 Buckets of biofuel per hour.
Oh yeah, that is important to the math. My bad.
13 engines should be enough, 14 is extra.
Wait, no, there's another 5% loss in the energy conduits, so yeah, 14. The math checks out after all!
Actually at max temperature the high pressure and low pressure have the same fuel-to-steam ratios, meaning one bucket of fuel in a 36HP boiler produce the same amount of steam as in a 36LP boiler, but it would just produce the steam and consume the fuel at twice the rate.
I would actually do the reverse in terms of heating the boilers myself: use the long lasting fuel to heat it up and then once heated run it on biofuel so you can keep it hot easier.
I would actually do the reverse in terms of heating the boilers myself: use the long lasting fuel to heat it up and then once heated run it on biofuel so you can keep it hot easier.
I'd probably just use the low pressure boilers because the wiki says they're more efficent with liquid fireboxes. So I need a 36x36 firebox layout in order to make a 36 large boiler?
And yeah I would use fuel to heat it up in the first place, but we have no fuel as of right now lol.
And yeah I would use fuel to heat it up in the first place, but we have no fuel as of right now lol.
For the firebox layout it's 3x3 base, and place the boiler blocks 3x3x4 (lxwxh). As I mentioned above, the low pressure boilers are only more efficient when heating up - when at max temperature they use the same amount of fuel, but at different rates due to high pressure boilers producing double the steam.
Yup, here's a design I just decided to come up with:
This is a fairly simple design utilizing the new tesseracts and makes it easy to switch fuel types. The reason for the 8 liquiducts feeding into the tesseract on top is the liquid boilers have output the same steam into tesseracts per face as the liquiducts, otherwise I'd only have the one tesseracts as it can support the throughput. On the right of the image is another liquid tesseracts supplying the steam to 18 industrial engines, while the green stuff is jacketed cable to supply the engines with redstone power so they'll run. Underneath the boiler hidden behind the tesseract that supplies the fuel is an aqueous accumulator with two water source blocks to feed the boiler with plenty of water. As for the fuel tank:
The tanks won't input directly into tesseracts (or do so in some way unknown to me) and you have to have at least a liquiduct length of 2 between the tank and the tesseract due to how extraction mode seems to work if you only place one liquiduct (yes, even with the tesseract set to send only).
Basically, liquid tesseracts make these things even easier than before and can function as fuel valves to change what kind of fuel you're using, which is pretty sweet.
Edit: Also, you don't need the extra liquiduct connected to the fuel valve tesseract under the boiler, I added that in while I was testing to try to find out if it was needed. I just took it off while changing from fuel to biofuel and it works like a charm.
This is a fairly simple design utilizing the new tesseracts and makes it easy to switch fuel types. The reason for the 8 liquiducts feeding into the tesseract on top is the liquid boilers have output the same steam into tesseracts per face as the liquiducts, otherwise I'd only have the one tesseracts as it can support the throughput. On the right of the image is another liquid tesseracts supplying the steam to 18 industrial engines, while the green stuff is jacketed cable to supply the engines with redstone power so they'll run. Underneath the boiler hidden behind the tesseract that supplies the fuel is an aqueous accumulator with two water source blocks to feed the boiler with plenty of water. As for the fuel tank:
The tanks won't input directly into tesseracts (or do so in some way unknown to me) and you have to have at least a liquiduct length of 2 between the tank and the tesseract due to how extraction mode seems to work if you only place one liquiduct (yes, even with the tesseract set to send only).
Basically, liquid tesseracts make these things even easier than before and can function as fuel valves to change what kind of fuel you're using, which is pretty sweet.
Edit: Also, you don't need the extra liquiduct connected to the fuel valve tesseract under the boiler, I added that in while I was testing to try to find out if it was needed. I just took it off while changing from fuel to biofuel and it works like a charm.
I seem to have stumbled upon a problem, I was pumping fuel into a boiler in creative [Biofuel] and now all the pipes are filled with steam... how does that even happen? I was using liquiducts so it shouldn't have outputted steam into the piping...
Edit: Okay I actually fixed it by placing industrial steam engines but now the fuel won't flow out.
Edit: And now I fixed it by adding a redstone signal... derp. Man I'm tired lol.
Edit: Okay I actually fixed it by placing industrial steam engines but now the fuel won't flow out.
Edit: And now I fixed it by adding a redstone signal... derp. Man I'm tired lol.
Don't run your fuel pipes adjacent to the boiler tank (those are steam output interfaces).
Yup, run fuel directly into the firebox. Another thing to note, if you use the design above you can fuel 4 boilers fairly easily (more than that but 4 are easy to align) with a single tesseract, however to transport steam you'll need one tesseract per boiler. That said, for the engine chain you'll still only need one tesseract to supply them with steam. I don't know why that happens, but when I tried a two boiler setup with a single tesseract removing steam from the boilers it didn't have enough throughput, but on a 4 boiler setup one each had enough - probably something with how the steam was flowing through the pipes.
So yea, 6 tesseracts + 1 attached to a tank for 4 boilers and 72 engines. You can, of course, use the layout and have the engines attached directly to the boilers as well. This was more of a test to see the throughput of these fun little toys. And yes, each engine is indeed running at 8mj/t.
So yea, 6 tesseracts + 1 attached to a tank for 4 boilers and 72 engines. You can, of course, use the layout and have the engines attached directly to the boilers as well. This was more of a test to see the throughput of these fun little toys. And yes, each engine is indeed running at 8mj/t.
I know I am. Although I've been doing it in my server worlds since 1.2.5 where I was using buckets and deployers to do it.
I've got a max size iron tank set up that holds lava, and a set of energy cells in the base that activate a set of 45 magmatic engines whenever they aren't full.
That's why the change was made. After running a half dozen max sized quarries I had enough tin to make all the magmatic engines I could ever need.
Tessaracts didn't make it any better. I can make tiny little pump systems now that only take up four blocks of space. Pump, world anchor, energy tessaract, liquid tessaract, and they pump quickly enough that two of them will keep my tank full regardless of how often the engines run.
Lava's nice, and the main reason I used it was because it'd allow me to set up both IC2 and BC power systems on the same fuel source, but didn't require me manually loading coal into things or making endless quantities of solar panels. Once my new base is built (still need another few hundred stacks of xychorium crystals), I'm planning to move to a boiler system though, just because lava's played itself out.
Yeah, lava is too cheap. I understand the change to Invar Ingots.
Since I had a FTB Beta A import, I had a crapton of Iridium, so really my base is powered by 5 Hybrid Solar Panels outputting 320 EU/t. I siphon part of that off to create the lava for BC power.
I understand the appeal with lava, it's no-maintenance, and can power both BC and IC systems. The only real fix to the gluttonous lava issue would be to have pipes containing lava randomly harden to obsidian pipes and require replacing.
Personally, I'm moving to Tier 5 Blaze Farm power. Generate power from souls of the dead-undead!
Since I had a FTB Beta A import, I had a crapton of Iridium, so really my base is powered by 5 Hybrid Solar Panels outputting 320 EU/t. I siphon part of that off to create the lava for BC power.
I understand the appeal with lava, it's no-maintenance, and can power both BC and IC systems. The only real fix to the gluttonous lava issue would be to have pipes containing lava randomly harden to obsidian pipes and require replacing.
Personally, I'm moving to Tier 5 Blaze Farm power. Generate power from souls of the dead-undead!
I have a wall of magmatic engines (15 or so) that served me well when I needed them. I also have a pit of 24 Gregtech thermal generators. All now sitting cold and empty, but ready to go if I ever need them again.
36HP steam boilers are now the power system I use alongside my ultimate hybrid solar panels! It took a little more infrastructure to get the steam up and running than the lava, but looking back not really that much. I think I relied on my lava system longer than I needed to. If I had to start over, I'd probably only build 2 magmatics to get me going while I work on getting a new steam boiler going.[DOUBLEPOST=1359648849][/DOUBLEPOST]
You say that as if there is a problem with lava.
I don't see any problem with it, it's a choice for mid-low power systems until you get the iron for a boiler.
36HP steam boilers are now the power system I use alongside my ultimate hybrid solar panels! It took a little more infrastructure to get the steam up and running than the lava, but looking back not really that much. I think I relied on my lava system longer than I needed to. If I had to start over, I'd probably only build 2 magmatics to get me going while I work on getting a new steam boiler going.[DOUBLEPOST=1359648849][/DOUBLEPOST]
You say that as if there is a problem with lava.
I don't see any problem with it, it's a choice for mid-low power systems until you get the iron for a boiler.
I honestly think the Invar Ingot is just stupid! I was going to make Magmatic Engines in my FTB LP and now I have to prepare for at least 2 episodes to get enough ironto get ferrous and go mining!
At this point, the invar change doesn't even matter to me. The only use I currently have for lava is to centrifuge it into brass for my spaceship 
Or, you know, dig in the lower layers and mine ferrous ore instead of relying on pulverizing iron? You'll know the ore when you see it, it has that brownish tinge that the ferrous dust or w/e it's called has. Sure, it's not the most common thing in the world, but if you look for it you'll find it.
2 episodes to create some invar? Is your channel name "YogscastShireens" by any chance?