help with basic bee breeding

[yscho88]

I just started the bee breeding and having lots of fun.
but I've been searching for this information and still was not clear on this.

For example, to get cultivated, I saw some guide saying I need common princess + meadows/forest drone.

But some guide does not say that, just say common + meadows/forest.

Is this some sort of difference in update? or do order actually matter.

Like meadows princess + common drone will not give me cultivated? (I tested this and gave me cultivated I think)


Another side question is that is cultivated mutated version of common/meadows hybrid?
That means there will be some percentage chance of mutating (like 10~15%), and I guess breeding between two pure will give best results?

If that's the case then I think the order doesn't matter but I want to hear from people.


I was just taking a lot of time getting noble princess where I was using the order.

 

[noskk]

Any combinations of meadow/forest/wintry/any bee you find from hive (except for valiant) + common will give you cultivated (no matter if it's common drone+ hive princess OR hive princess + common drone)

Which one is the princess doesn't really matter, as long as you have the correct combination.
i.e. you will get valuable gene bee from glittering princess + ender drone OR ender princess + ender drone OR Hybrid glit-ender princess + hybrid glit-ender drone.. it's all about the gene.. (gene A + gene B has a chance to mutate to gene C)

 

[yscho88]

and that's true for higher tier bees right?
for noble, doesn't matter if it's cultivated princess or drone with common?

 

[noskk]

and that's true for higher tier bees right?
for noble, doesn't matter if it's cultivated princess or drone with common?

Yes.. cultivated drone+common princess will also give you noble trait.. btw you can always increase the mutation chance using XBee soul frame..

 

[Bibble]

Basically, each be has a 2 species on it (these are the same in the case of pure bees). The two parts of descendants can be made up from either of the parents (4 combinations total). Mutations occur when the two traits are competing for the same slot.

This means that a meadows-common/meadows-common pairing has half the chance of mutation that a pure meadows/pure common pairing does.

 

[vineet]

Basically, each be has a 2 species on it (these are the same in the case of pure bees). The two parts of descendants can be made up from either of the parents (4 combinations total). Mutations occur when the two traits are competing for the same slot.

This means that a meadows-common/meadows-common pairing has half the chance of mutation that a pure meadows/pure common pairing does.

How exactly would you get a pure bee.

Any combinations of meadow/forest/wintry/any bee you find from hive (except for valiant) + common will give you cultivated (no matter if it's common drone+ hive princess OR hive princess + common drone)

Which one is the princess doesn't really matter, as long as you have the correct combination.
i.e. you will get valuable gene bee from glittering princess + ender drone OR ender princess + ender drone OR Hybrid glit-ender princess + hybrid glit-ender drone.. it's all about the gene.. (gene A + gene B has a chance to mutate to gene C)

Is that the same for all mutations?

 

[Abdiel]

As long as both genes are present in the pair, it does not matter which comes from the princess and which from the drone. This applies to all possible species, as well as other traits (speed, resilience, etc.)

 

[noskk]

How exactly would you get a pure bee.

Is that the same for all mutations?

Yes..

 

[Bibble]

How exactly would you get a pure bee.

This is kind of going into punnet squares and genetics, but I'll do what I can. I'd arise watching Flora's or Dire's stuff on it.

Basically, if you have a bee with a dominant species of A and recessive species of b (case indicates which is dominant), you have an Ab hybrid.

If you breed it with a Cd hybrid, you have the chance of the following:" outcomes:
Ac, Ad, Bc, Bd, Ca, Cb, Da, Db

Basically meaning that the descendant takes genes from both of its parents (Ab and Cd are both impossible, in this case). Note that the second half of those options is the same as the first, with the recessive as dominant, and vice versa.

If you have the same gene on both of the parents, e.g. Ab and Ac, then the options are:

Ab, Ac, Cb, Ca, Ba, Bc, Aa, Aa. In this case, the descendant can take the A gene from both of the parents, making it a purebred. Because each of the options can be reversed, the purebred takes two of the possibilities (they're functionally the same, but they account for 25% of the chance).

 

[MilConDoin]

Are you sure about the way you use dominant and recessive her?
Change this to active/inactive (left allele/right allele) and I'd concur.
Dominant and recessive are displayed via the colors red and blue. If in your breeding you end up with having a blue (recessive) gene as active and a red (dominant) one as inactive, they will be automatically switched.

 

[Bibble]

Ah, yes, forgot about this. Was falling back on my secondary school biology. Was only really referring to species. The other genes work in similar ways, but with the added complications mentioned above.

 

[vineet]

So what is so special about a pure bred bee?

 

[MilConDoin]

That you know what you get and that the descendants will still have these stats.
Differences can lead to results, where the (in your opinion) worse of the two stats can be the only survivor.
Examples:
1) Rusty-Resilient Bee. You want to keep the rusty one for its produce, but after a few generations bad luck piles up and you only have a resilient now.
2) Fertility 1 and 4: You're breading 4 drones into your mutating bee, for faster results of receiving the wanted mutation. If you're not careful, this can be lost again (often by advancing through the metallic/gem branches), resulting in the pure luck based strain of fertility 1.

 

[noskk]

So what is so special about a pure bred bee?

Breeding pure bred bee will ensure that you always get pure bred drones and princess ; so you can re-breed them without worrying you wreck the bee type (getting lower kind of pure bred bee during automation)..

The excess pure bred drones (as long as the fertility is higher than 1) can also be used to breed bee with similar trait (i.e. breeding meadow princess with imperial drone to get more pure bred imperial princess); or use it in XBee machine to extract specific trait that you want and inject it to other bee..

 

[vineet]

And how would you know if it is purebred?
So if I wanted to get a pure dstilled bee, would the bees that are needed for mutations need to be pure?

 

[Bickers]

And how would you know if it is purebred?
So if I wanted to get a pure dstilled bee, would the bees that are needed for mutations need to be pure?

for it to be purebred it must have the same active and inactive genes ie common common

 

[noskk]

You analyse the bee in the beenalyzer or the analyzer (that use liquid honey), and see the name; pure bred bee shouldn't have any "hybrid" on it.

 

[vineet]

Ok, thanks for all your help, for I am now ready to my journey to get a refined bee!

 

[Hydra]

You analyse the bee in the beenalyzer or the analyzer (that use liquid honey), and see the name; pure bred bee shouldn't have any "hybrid" on it.

Not just that. You want to make sure the rest of the genes are the ones you want too.

 

[Milaha]

The bit that usually helps people understand how this works is Punnet Squares. Advice directly related to bees is already covered, so I wont go into that, but I think you should probably at least glance at how the punnet squares work, it will probably help you a lot. Mutations (generating new breeds that were not in the parents) break these rules, but once you understand these rules then the mutations become pretty easy to understand as well.