ExtraBees Strategies

[namiasdf]

So... Particularly with getting your ultimate bees:

Isolator: Breed a set of bees that have a certain trait you want, get a bunch of drones, hope the isloated trait in the serum will be the trait you want?

Replicator: Make.. Backups? Can you just purify a synthesized serum? What is the advantage of replicating, aside from having backups.

Trying to figure out the antics. I also don't have access to sunlight, so I'mma go crazy and try and rocky bee trait all my bees........

 

[midi_sec]

you're on the right track

So... Particularly with getting your ultimate bees:

Isolator: Breed a set of bees that have a certain trait you want, get a bunch of drones, hope the isloated trait in the serum will be the trait you want?

basically yes

Replicator: Make.. Backups? Can you just purify a synthesized serum? What is the advantage of replicating, aside from having backups.

if you've got a lot of bees to inoculate, sometimes you need to work on more than one bee at a time.

Trying to figure out the antics. I also don't have access to sunlight, so I'mma go crazy and try and rocky bee trait all my bees........

go nuts

 

[Bibble]

My standard first step is to grab some wintry drones, breed them out for a bit, and try to isolate the 4x fertility serum. This is insanely helpful to decrease the amount of time to a stack of drones, and to boost your liquid DNA supplies. Once you have that, throw it onto a rocky combo, and breed masses of them, as they have most of the useful traits (Nocturnal, Cave Dwelling, Flyer, Both +/-2 tolerances, etc.).

Start collecting a chest of "desired" attributes to apply to all of your "stable" bees. Stuff like decent production, short lifespans and the like. Once you've got your template, start with the cross-breeding of species for products. There are wikis and whatnot to tell you what to breed to get what, but, as soon as you have the species, apply the template serums (unless the new traits are better than the old ones), and breed up a stock of the drones.

I like to keep a stack of "production" drones for each species (best attributes on the species), as well as a stack of "template" drones (ones with the best attributes, but a standard base species).

Next step would be to convert all of your princesses to have the best attributes, by just throwing them into repeating apiaries with about 10 drones, until they're imprinted with them. This is much easier than inoculating each of them with each of the traits. Keep the species serums around to change the produce of the bees, but, otherwise, that's all you need to do.

 

[namiasdf]

My standard first step is to grab some wintry drones, breed them out for a bit, and try to isolate the 4x fertility serum. This is insanely helpful to decrease the amount of time to a stack of drones, and to boost your liquid DNA supplies. Once you have that, throw it onto a rocky combo, and breed masses of them, as they have most of the useful traits (Nocturnal, Cave Dwelling, Flyer, Both +/-2 tolerances, etc.).

Start collecting a chest of "desired" attributes to apply to all of your "stable" bees. Stuff like decent production, short lifespans and the like. Once you've got your template, start with the cross-breeding of species for products. There are wikis and whatnot to tell you what to breed to get what, but, as soon as you have the species, apply the template serums (unless the new traits are better than the old ones), and breed up a stock of the drones.

I like to keep a stack of "production" drones for each species (best attributes on the species), as well as a stack of "template" drones (ones with the best attributes, but a standard base species).

Next step would be to convert all of your princesses to have the best attributes, by just throwing them into repeating apiaries with about 10 drones, until they're imprinted with them. This is much easier than inoculating each of them with each of the traits. Keep the species serums around to change the produce of the bees, but, otherwise, that's all you need to do.

This is very insightful. What are you opinions on the sequencer? Do you bother with that?

If I am correct, all you do is breed a stack or two of EVERY species you come across, as production drones. This is easy to maintain as you can just keep them all in an apiary/alveary, with the rest going towards the genepool.

For the base species, what do you mean by this? When you are converting princesses, don't you use the bee of the same species, with the best stats, no matter what, as to prevent total switch over to a new species, notwithstanding mutations?

 

[Bibble]

Sequencer? Never bothered with it. As I recall, it's limited to "native" hive species, and intended as a record of first-gen bees. I fund that species serums and drone stacks are a better bet for that.

And, yes, I try to keep a stack of every species of drone, usually with stats as optimized as I can at the time. Not just for production (specific species are best for that), but for later breeding (either using the drones in breeding, or just using them for imprinting a queen to get the right match). There are 2 different methods of getting a target species on a bee:
1) Take the species serum, ensure that it's charged and purified, and apply it to a princess and drone.
2) Take one generic princess and put it in an automated apiary until the number of drones starts going up instead of down.

I can do the first, but the second is usually more conducive to the way I play (set it going, and wander off to do something else for a bit). That's why the traits are usually as good as I can get them at the time, it means that you have a good breeder without needing to inoculate the same bees multiple times.

Unifying all my princesses into the same set is for when I do 1). The aim isn't the species, it's the traits. The particular species used in that process is fairly immaterial, and can be whatever you tend to lack, the point is that, when you need a refined pair, it's easier to take a template princess and drone, and throw the species on it that it is to take one of the masses of rocky princesses you have in your system, and either imprint in the apiary, or put the species, speed, tolerance, etc. serums on it.

 

[namiasdf]

Yeah, but the only way you can do that is if you already have a stack of those bees, otherwise you'd be converting that princess into whatever other species stack you put in there with it.

Either that or you get 10-20 drones with shitty stats, innoculate them to primo, then breed, but then it'd be better just to innoculate a princess/drone pair and go from there.


I guess what I'm trying to say, is how do you get your already existing target species princess to have optimal stats, if you don't have a stack of the drones with optimal stats. You have other stacks of drones of different species with optimal stats, but you run the 100% chance of converting your target princess into that other species. How do you get that stack of optimal stat, same species bee, such that you can breed them with your princess of your target species, and the same as the stack of drones you are optimizing the princess with.

 

[midi_sec]

I guess what I'm trying to say, is how do you get your already existing target species princess to have optimal stats

inoculate that target species into a handfull of optimal drones, and breed them. or go one by one inoculating your princess...but that's no bueno

 

[Bibble]

Yeah, but the only way you can do that is if you already have a stack of those bees, otherwise you'd be converting that princess into whatever other species stack you put in there with it.

Either that or you get 10-20 drones with shitty stats, innoculate them to primo, then breed, but then it'd be better just to innoculate a princess/drone pair and go from there.


I guess what I'm trying to say, is how do you get your already existing target species princess to have optimal stats, if you don't have a stack of the drones with optimal stats. You have other stacks of drones of different species with optimal stats, but you run the 100% chance of converting your target princess into that other species. How do you get that stack of optimal stat, same species bee, such that you can breed them with your princess of your target species, and the same as the stack of drones you are optimizing the princess with.

What I mean is that, as part of the general bee breeding system, you get a defined "vanilla" set. A template that you imprint on to all of your princesses. You take that species, and add the best traits you have, and make a stack of drones. You use those to standardise all of your hive princesses, so that, when you need a specific product, you slap the species serum on top, and, presto, you have a top producer of a certain product.

It's a little tricky to explain, but I know what I mean

 

[namiasdf]

What I mean is that, as part of the general bee breeding system, you get a defined "vanilla" set. A template that you imprint on to all of your princesses. You take that species, and add the best traits you have, and make a stack of drones. You use those to standardise all of your hive princesses, so that, when you need a specific product, you slap the species serum on top, and, presto, you have a top producer of a certain product.

It's a little tricky to explain, but I know what I mean

You can innoculate species? I thought it was traits only.

 

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aye, you can.

you isolate them the same as a trait. just have to be lucky.

 

[namiasdf]

Though, implicitly, unless you're really lucky you're gonna need a lot of that bee anyways, such that you'd have bred to them and sustained that mutation.