I've been trying to get fertility 3 on my common bees. So I've been putting a Forest Bee with active and inactive fertility 3 traits and a Marble with active and inactive fertility 3 traits. However, when I do that, I will get a Common Bee, but it has a active fertility 2 and inactive fertility 3 or 2. It doesn't do it when I get Forest, Marble, or Cultivated (when I use a Cultivated Bee instead). Can someone please explain this to me since I'm really confused about why this is happening.
Common Bees Fertility Help
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If you're playing 1.5, you can put your bees in a Bee House. The Bee House doesn't allow mutations, which is generally bad if you're trying to breed a new species, but very handy if you're trying to isolate a species without it mutating because of another species present.
Basically, how bees work with traits (not mutations) is through medelian genetics. there's a TL;DR disclaimer if you wish.
Simply put, with the traits of its parents, for each trait the parents have, the parent has a 50% chance to pass on the active, or inactive trait. This happens with both parents, so for each individual trait of the parent, the children bees have 25% chance of inheriting any one specific trait.
This makes trying to get common bees with fertility three tricky, saying you have a pure common and pure forest bee to start off with, it has a 25% chance to come away with the traits 2x, 2x. 50% chance of coming away with 2x, 3x. and 25% chance of coming away with 3x, 3x.
The above concept also applies to the species of the bee, so 25% to come away common common, 50% to be common - forest in either order, and 25% to be forest forest.
Since you're after both common common and 3x 3x, you have a (0.25 * 0.25) 6.25% chance of getting the bee you're after.
Next paragraph is speculation based on real life genetics:
Not entirely sure how the game decides what the active and inactive traits are, I think it works some traits are inheriantly "dominant" and some are "recessive". Dominant traits will attempt to be active unless there is another trait more dominant, while recessive traits will attempt to be inactive unless there is a more recessive trait. Meaning if 3x is recessive, which it seems to be, you'll need a bee with 3x 3x to actually get it to express.
TL;DR get advanced bee machines, it's much easier and not chance based.
Simply put, with the traits of its parents, for each trait the parents have, the parent has a 50% chance to pass on the active, or inactive trait. This happens with both parents, so for each individual trait of the parent, the children bees have 25% chance of inheriting any one specific trait.
This makes trying to get common bees with fertility three tricky, saying you have a pure common and pure forest bee to start off with, it has a 25% chance to come away with the traits 2x, 2x. 50% chance of coming away with 2x, 3x. and 25% chance of coming away with 3x, 3x.
The above concept also applies to the species of the bee, so 25% to come away common common, 50% to be common - forest in either order, and 25% to be forest forest.
Since you're after both common common and 3x 3x, you have a (0.25 * 0.25) 6.25% chance of getting the bee you're after.
Next paragraph is speculation based on real life genetics:
Not entirely sure how the game decides what the active and inactive traits are, I think it works some traits are inheriantly "dominant" and some are "recessive". Dominant traits will attempt to be active unless there is another trait more dominant, while recessive traits will attempt to be inactive unless there is a more recessive trait. Meaning if 3x is recessive, which it seems to be, you'll need a bee with 3x 3x to actually get it to express.
TL;DR get advanced bee machines, it's much easier and not chance based.
That's not what I'm talking about. I was talking about why I can't seem to get a common bee with an active and inactive trait of fertility 3. Then I was stating it works fine with any other bee I'm using.[DOUBLEPOST=1374457312][/DOUBLEPOST]
Thank you for that info. I'm playing the mindcrack version which is 1.4.7. However, I was asking why I can't seem to get a common bee that has an active and inactive trait of fertility 3 when I combine 2 bees that has that.[DOUBLEPOST=1374457375][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's not what I'm talking about. I was talking about why I can't seem to get a common bee with an active and inactive trait of fertility 3. Then I was stating it works fine with any other bee I'm using.
Thank you for that info. I'm playing the mindcrack version which is 1.4.7. However, I was asking why I can't seem to get a common bee that has an active and inactive trait of fertility 3 when I combine 2 bees that has that.[DOUBLEPOST=1374457375][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's not what I'm talking about. I was talking about why I can't seem to get a common bee with an active and inactive trait of fertility 3. Then I was stating it works fine with any other bee I'm using.
Thank you for the info. I knew all that stuff. But like the last two comments, I was asking why I can't get a common bee with a active and inactive trait of fertility 3 from 2 bees with that trait. I worked out the work for it, and it should be a 100% chance of getting it. It works 100% when I get any other bee. But if there is a common drone in the batch, it has always bee fertility 2 for me.
Pass the fertility trait to another bee that does not mutate with the common bee. Then use that bee to pass the fertility trait to your common bee. It's a round about way of doing things, but you don't need any fancy machines for any of this. Just optional chocolate frames to speed things up.
Theoretically you can get it, but it's small chance made difficult from the point that they mutate together, thus losing your common traits. I don't see how you'd get 100% chance with any bee though, except if the parents were identical.
With what PoisonWolf recommended is another solution, and should be slightly faster than trying to combine them together.
But I reiterate, it's easier to go with the advanced machines with serums than to manually breed traits in or out.
IMHO, you learn much more about the breeding mechanics by manually doing it. I personally prefer the manual labor, it is reminiscent of good old Pokemon gold's breeding system.
true true, easier doesn't necessarily mean better
I guess some people find it fun, but I don't
The problem you are having, OP, is that when a bee mutates to a new species, it normally takes on the base traits of that species. Since common bees have fertilityx2 as a base trait, you will keep getting 2xfertility every time you get a brand new common bee.
What you will need to do is one of two things:
(1) Get a fertilityx3 bee of a species that can't mutate with common drones and use that to breed fertility 3 into your common bees.
(2) Get a bunch of common bees that have inactive fertilityx3 and breed those together.
What you will need to do is one of two things:
(1) Get a fertilityx3 bee of a species that can't mutate with common drones and use that to breed fertility 3 into your common bees.
(2) Get a bunch of common bees that have inactive fertilityx3 and breed those together.
I've said twice the parents have identical traits.[DOUBLEPOST=1374515498][/DOUBLEPOST]
I like to do it manually more. Doing it with machines takes the fun of it away in my opinion.[DOUBLEPOST=1374515699][/DOUBLEPOST]
Yea, I will be eventually getting to putting it onto rocky bees and so on. But I just want to get it set up before I get into more advanced bees.
Thank you for your information. You are the first person to understand that I was putting 2 bees with the same traits together. Earlier today, I was actually thinking that that's what was happening. So thank you.