ore processing

[odinsembrace]

Not sure if exploit or just awesome....

I've found a way to get over 300% yield from one ore.

Factorization method is:
Grinder>Mixer>Induction furnace> Crystallizer This method and then smelting will get you between 290 and 310 percent yield on any one ore.
However, if you smelt the crystallized metal in an infernal furnace with three bellows instead of a normal furnace you will get the ingot from the crystallized metal and additional nuggets. I haven't done the math, but I typically get at least one nugget per metal but sometimes get two or three nuggets. If I had to guess, I'd say you get about 350% yield with the only cost being some energy, vis, and time.

 

[seannyyx]

I love how your title says "300%"
Then a sentence in you say 290-310 and suddenly at the end you're saying 350
Now 350 is a good hope. 290 not so great. So which would you say is most likely ?

 

[dgdas9]

Is that the 20 min recipe?

 

[odinsembrace]

I love how your title says "300%"
Then a sentence in you say 290-310 and suddenly at the end you're saying 350
Now 350 is a good hope. 290 not so great. So which would you say is most likely ?

after crystallization if you smelt in a regular furnace you will get aprox 300% yield period. This is tested and confirmed on the wiki iirc

However, if you take the crystallized metal and smelt it in an infernal furnace (thaumcraft 3) you get the aprox 300% PLUS extra nuggets. Thus, I again approximate that the total yield after the full process is finished is around 350% The 350% is untested because I have just realized that this can happen.[DOUBLEPOST=1368058544][/DOUBLEPOST]

Is that the 20 min recipe?

The crystallizer takes 20 mins but processes 5 items at a time. with multiple crystallizers, automated with routers or pipes, its a decent set up. Not for super early game mind you, but it is an excellent setup for mid game where the wait isn't so bad.

 

[dgdas9]

The crystallizer takes 20 mins but processes 5 items at a time. with multiple crystallizers, automated with routers or pipes, its a decent set up. Not for super early game mind you, but it is an excellent setup for mid game where the wait isn't so bad.

If that is true, then I go from early gamr directly to end game

 

[odinsembrace]

I recommend testing this out on a creative world. Considering with TE you only get 200% yield plus a 10% chance for an extra dust on the side, this method is pretty nice. If anything, its a goal to work towards. Just wanted to share what I found.

 

[Azzanine]

Problem with your method is you need to be competent enough to deal with the flux that would be generated. If you are this method sounds great, If not it's best to stick with regular type furnaces.

 

[DoctorOr]

Then a sentence in you say 290-310 and suddenly at the end you're saying 350

It's called probability.

The 300% mark is arrived at by several steps, only one of which is a direct doubling.

You will always double your ore by grinding it.
You will, 25% of the time, gain an extra output by washing and running it through the slag furnace
You will, 20% of the time, gain an extra output by using the crystalizer

Total: 2.0 * 1.25 * 1.2 = 3.0

Over a billion ores, you will always have 3 billion ingots. Over 10 ores... it's not so cut and dry.

OP is saying that over a billion ores if you run the final factorization product through an infernal furnace, you will have 3.5 billion ingots. This also means that over 10 ores you can hope to have 35 ingots, but might have 32, or 37.

If true, and I haven't tested it, it would make this mixed factorization/thaumcraft ore processing superior without competition.

Note that to be true, it would mean that you should be expecting to receive one ingot and two nuggets for every Crystalline <metal> you throw into the infernal furnace.

 

[Hoff]

People noticed this awhile back IIRC. I think a change was made to stop processing dusts in the furnace for extra nuggets. Then you just re-macerate/pulverize for infinite basic metals.

 

[NTaylor]

Problem with your method is you need to be competent enough to deal with the flux that would be generated. If you are this method sounds great, If not it's best to stick with regular type furnaces.

Or just have basic knowlege of mystcraft. Stick the whole system in a mystcraft age chunk load it and leave it alone for a bit make sure you build an enclosure for the setup that does not have the node inside and really then as long as the node is big enough to handle the furnace constantly running then flux is no problem.

 

[Azzanine]

People noticed this awhile back IIRC. I think a change was made to stop processing dusts in the furnace for extra nuggets. Then you just re-macerate/pulverize for infinite basic metals.

Not what OP was talking about... Crystallized metal is akin to ore as you can only make it from ore, you are talking about another exploit.

Or just have basic knowlege of mystcraft. Stick the whole system in a mystcraft age chunk load it and leave it alone for a bit make sure you build an enclosure for the setup that does not have the node inside and really then as long as the node is big enough to handle the furnace constantly running then flux is no problem.

Yeah that's true enough. But what of those who use servers that disable or prohibit Mystcraft?

 

[Hoff]

Not what OP was talking about... Crystallized metal is akin to ore as you can only make it from ore, you are talking about another exploit.



Yeah that's true enough. But what of those who use servers that disable or prohibit Mystcraft?

They're the same thing in concept. Just different ways of doing it. Except that OP hasn't made it a metal loop but people were talking about this around the same time.

 

[NTaylor]

Yeah that's true enough. But what of those who use servers that disable or prohibit Mystcraft?

Could just do pretty much the same then just a few miles away from anything important and chunk load it.

 

[netmc]

I don't see this an an exploit per se, as this can only be done once, then you have to get the ores to work with again. So, maybe a minor exploit bonus, but not a exploitable loop. I'm at the point in Ultimate with GT that I can constantly get 300% ore output with many of the important ores, although getting a bit more than 300% may be worth the investment.

I remember the discussion about this before, and many of the new comers haven't seen the discussion from 2-3 months ago, so it might seem new to them. Some of the old threads are a little hard to pull up in searches because the threads don't always have good searchable terms, but from what I remember about this, is that 300% or more ore yield are possible, but because of the hassles of flux along with the wait time for the crystalizer and the ease at which quarries can be made to supply new ores, the 300+ percent yield isn't time effective nor worth the hassle of dealing with high flux.

 

[odinsembrace]

Nice to see some constructive comments. I don't remember seeing any post about this. I kinda posted it on a whim. If I get the time I may run a few tests to see what the real numbers are instead of speculation.

 

[Malkuth]

Kinda of a cool thing yes.. But I think its been mentioned before.. By the time you get to the point of doing this... There is no point.. Because Just using Quarries 24/7 will net you so much ore.. That it don't matter.... And thats just the slow quarries.. Having a frame machine or something better.. And you base is made out of the stuff.

But it is cool though.. Thanks for sharing it.