Finding What Items Are Called By When Using MineTweaker
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I can already see a problem here. Reika specifically designed rotary craft to use HSLA steel, and it can't be replaced with other steels. So if you make it unmakable, you will make all of rotary craft undoable. However, I have a couple alternatives for you.
1. Go into rotary craft's config and set this line to false: B:"Allow RC steel to be used in other mods"=true
This will make HSLA steel unusable for everything except rotary craft machines.
2. Make the Rotary Craft blast furnace more expensive.
Also, if you change any recipes for Rotary Craft or any of his mods(Like Geostrata and Reactor Craft), the pack will never be approved because of one of Reika's terms of distribution of his mod:
Making the blast furnace more expensive may be okay with Reika, but changing anything else will not get approval.
Note: This does not mean you can't change any of the other mods in the pack.
1. Go into rotary craft's config and set this line to false: B:"Allow RC steel to be used in other mods"=true
This will make HSLA steel unusable for everything except rotary craft machines.
2. Make the Rotary Craft blast furnace more expensive.
Also, if you change any recipes for Rotary Craft or any of his mods(Like Geostrata and Reactor Craft), the pack will never be approved because of one of Reika's terms of distribution of his mod:
Making the blast furnace more expensive may be okay with Reika, but changing anything else will not get approval.
Note: This does not mean you can't change any of the other mods in the pack.
If you can't find what it's called in the system aside from Ore Dictionary names, then maybe you should read the manual a bit more.
I mean, you could delete all of the RotaryCraft recipes that use HSLA steel, as well as the ones that create HSLA steel, then just replace the recipes with the other steel.
Wouldn't work unless MineTweaker can edit the recipes in the Worktable(or whatever it's called) and can edit RotaryCraft machine outputs.
And even if it could, Reika would break the shit out of that.
Well, I'm okay with just using a recipe that allows me to convert steel into HSLA if it doesn't go against reika's disclaimer thingy and just get rid of using the blast furnace because y'know, the TSteelworks blast furnace is basically the same thing
Also, I still don't know how to find the names of the items
Okay, but I can still use the Rotary configs to disable the Blast Furnace, right?
EDIT: So I can't disable the BF in the Rotary configs...
Any idea on how to go about making the Blast Furnace not really usable while still maintaining the whole clausey thingy?
Also, I still don't know how to find the names of the items
Okay, but I can still use the Rotary configs to disable the Blast Furnace, right?
EDIT: So I can't disable the BF in the Rotary configs...
Any idea on how to go about making the Blast Furnace not really usable while still maintaining the whole clausey thingy?
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Allow me to repeat some things said in this thread for your viewing pleasure.
So again, if you want to find exact item names, you really need to read the manual more. And if you disable things from RotaryCraft, Reika will deny you the right to use his mods in your pack.
Got it. Problem is, I have not heard of this "manual"
Two, okay so no disabling Rotary items... Problem is that the blast furnace is a little overpowered in my pack. But he didn't say I can't put the Blast Furnace at a higher point in the tech tree that the player cannot reach it now did he? Or is putting it at an inaccessible level by requiring bedrock but turning off craftable bedrock also a no-no?
@Reika I'd like to have a little confirmation because I love your mod and I don't want to remove it from my pack, but I find the Tinker's Steelworks Blast Furnace is a bit more hardcore. Sorry for bothering you guys
EDIT: Did a search online, still can't find any manual pertaining to minetweaker/ore dictionary
If you haven't heard of the manual, you likely haven't been to the website made by the mod author for this mod... which begs the question how you even know how to find ore dictionary names using it.
And yes, you can't shift things around the tech tree either. Seeing as the RotaryCraft Blast Furnace is needed to even make HSLA Steel, I'd wager you'd get shut down pretty friggin' fast.
Man, I guess I'll just have to keep the RC blast furnace the way it is.
Sorry for acting like a total n00b guys, it's just that I was really hoping to keep this modpack I have kind of solid and whole-feeling. Conversation over, let's let this sink with my stupidity.
That's the Spirit! And yes, that you do.Man, I guess I'll just have to keep the RC blast furnace the way it is.
...How is the Blast Furnace overpowered in your pack, anyway? As an aside.
EDIT: Wait, do you mean the RotaryCraft Blast Furnace or the RailCraft one?
Well, the TSteelworks BF takes up more space, uses more materials and costs more per steel iirc
So, now I have 3 different Blast Furnaces that will confuse the heck out of my users
The TSteelworks Blast Furnace actually doesn't COST steel, it outputs it.
If you disallow HSLA Steel from being ore dictionary compatible with other steels(which IIRC it isn't anyway) you could disable the RailCraft Blast Furnace and it'd be fine.
In fact, you could go a step further and use MineTweaker to alter the name of HSLA Steel to avoid using the word steel if you think it'd be too confusing. Or change the name of the RotaryCraft Blast Furnace to something else(but I don't think that would change the name in its GUI). Neither of these is significantly changing the RotaryCraft mod setup, though it might make the in game books for it inaccurate, but giving each player a book when they log in and providing a recipe to get a new copy if they lose it documenting the changes on your server would make this fair game.(I think. @Reika would this be fine?)
If you intend to distribute this mod as part of a pack, under no circumstances may you modify or remove any feature from RC that is not present in the configs, and no machine can be disabled in the config.
This includes changing and/or removing recipes with any other tool.
However, your main issue appears to be that RC steel makes other mods easier - you can turn off the "Allow RC steel to be used in other mods" option (which is disabled by default, but enabled in FTB).
No, because I will get 500 "bug" reports about how the book does not match.
Seriously, the steel has a visibly different name and color; if you cannot tell it from other mods' steel, you are going to have far bigger problems later.
As a reminder, bug reports pertaining to mods in modpacks are meant to be directed to the devs on the mod pack. You likely know this Reika, but if this happened, you wouldn't have to do a thing about it(except maybe report them for harassment if it got nasty).
No offense, but your stance here is kinda odd to me. I get that you want your mod to be used "as is" but not everyone likes using this "as is", sometimes for valid reasons like gating things later in a pack. If someone wants to gate RotaryCraft behind another mod, I honestly don't see what the issue is. If it's those "Bug Reports", again, the people making the pack have to deal with that, and if you get bug reports on this sort of thing, it's not that hard to remind people that if the recipes shown don't match what you need, then the modpack they are using is editing it, is it?
(also, as an aside, I've seen a mod that can actually track what recipes it uses in a way that if they are changed at all or another option presents itself, its book reflects this. If this interests you, ask Mithion about how he does it, I haven't seen him here much but I have seen him over on the MCF)
Actually, when I was asking mod devs for permission for my pack, some of them told me to direct all bugs pertaining their mods to them.
How strange. Mosts devs I've seen with a stance on this hate this because modpacks can't always keep up to date and they often get bug reports that have been fixed already(including ones from somewhat ancient editions).
Either way, it is a moot point because most players do not listen.
It is about far more than just errant bug reports.
One, it is because more often than not, items are disabled based on the opinion (and often a hasty decision rather than a well-researched one) of a select few people, or even one person. This then leads to many "server admin takes one glance in creative mode->bans half of mod either directly or by banning prerequisite" type situations. Additionally, even if the issue is allegedly one of balance, I do not buy for a second that all people on a server - especially a large server - match opinions on what is balanced. The general rule is, as I see it, "if you like it, use it. If you think it makes the game too easy and not fun, do not use it". Unless it was something that gave a huge competitive advantage you cannot legitimately claim that you have the right to tell others that they cannot have something because you do not want to use it yourself.
Two, it is depressingly common for items to be banned not because admins dislike them, but with the intention of putting them behind cash barriers ("you must be a member of $50/mo donators to place this"). This is essentially monetizing a mod that you did not create, not to mention incredibly dickish. Even if you do not do this yourself, many people do, and the rules must be enforced equally or it would be tremendously unfair.