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Ultimate 1.5.2 ... Greg vs mDiyo

Discussion in 'General FTB chat' started by Fuzzlewhumper, Jun 27, 2013.

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  1. Fuzzlewhumper

    Fuzzlewhumper New Member

    There's a message that just popped up with the most recent update.

    That update may only be the addition of this.

    Exploit Warning: Tinkers Construct adds Functionality, which causes many Blocks to duplicate drops, when being hit by a tool ........ And so on

    I believe it's in response to a message I saw saying there is an exploit in gregtech and to disable reverse smelting recipes.

    I ignored the original message and didn't think much of it due to it being a single line and I don't do exploits.
    But this retaliation from greg is ... epic. His final sentence is...

    To disable this Message, bug mDiyo until he fixes it the proper way. Otherwise I will very likely drown you with this text forever.

    ...

    So ... without passing judgement one way or the other...

    Anyone else see this and what do you think about this?
     
  2. ShneekeyTheLost

    ShneekeyTheLost Too Much Free Time

    I don't see how Tinkers Construct causes a dupe in this manner.

    Logging this as yet another reason to avoid GregTech
     
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  3. DoctorOr

    DoctorOr New Member

    Then let me explain to you:

    Tinker's Construct allows the multiplication of any block that has a smelting recipe. It does not check or honor if that block is an ore or not.
     
  4. Ryiah

    Ryiah New Member

    If I read your post correctly, you are saying there is an exploit in GregTech and he is blaming mDiyo for it existing?
     
  5. ShneekeyTheLost

    ShneekeyTheLost Too Much Free Time

    I have not observed this with any ingot I have smelted in the Smeltery. It'll double ores, sure, but not ingots.
     
  6. Zjarek_S

    Zjarek_S New Member

    It is not smeltery, it is smelting pickaxe with fortune. So metal block mined with this pickaxe will get you smelted drops (ingots), with fortune modifier applied to them. Neither GregTech behavior nor TConstruct one is standard, so this is a bit moot discussion
     
  7. DoctorOr

    DoctorOr New Member

    I never said anything about the smeltery.
     
  8. Fuzzlewhumper

    Fuzzlewhumper New Member

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    I don't know how to do spoiler tags so I probably screwed this up. Sorry in advance, I'm not HTML savvy.

    -ps Cool, I had to go over to post one of the no-topic-thread to figure out how to do a spoiler tag. :) Proud!!!
     
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  9. DoctorOr

    DoctorOr New Member

    I'd disagree. Smelting an item (in a furnace) to get another item or multiple items is pretty damn standard. Doing so and also applying a fortune bonus is not standard. It should be the responsibility of the mod engaging in non standard interactions to take care that such interactions only work on the intended targets. Otherwise, it's a dupe bug.
     
  10. ShneekeyTheLost

    ShneekeyTheLost Too Much Free Time

    What, Lucky + Auto-Smelting? What block is he worried about duping?

    Ahh, after reading his... rant... he's completely batshit crazy.

    Because potatoes and stone are SUCH rare resources, yanno...

    Furthermore, it can't actually be used to dupe anything on that list but the actual cobblestone, and for that, you'd have to have a regular pick to turn the stone back into cobblestone. There is no way to turn charcoal back into wood, and there is no way to turn a baked potato into a regular one.
     
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  11. DoctorOr

    DoctorOr New Member

    You're so unaware of the world that it's a wonder sometimes.
     
  12. Zjarek_S

    Zjarek_S New Member

    Smelting is a one way process and so is crafting. Greg decided to add a lot of reverse recipes, plus he makes changes to vanilla metal blocks recipes, moving them to furnace. Metal blocks are one of the very small amount of reverse crafting recipes in vanilla, even making stairs you lose half of material.
     
  13. ShneekeyTheLost

    ShneekeyTheLost Too Much Free Time

    Dear Mr. Kettle. You are Black. Sincerely, Pot.

    So, if I am so unaware... please, tell me how to turn charcoal back into wood, baked potatoes back into potatoes, and cactus green back into cactus... because being a 'dupe', means you can set up an infinite loop, which means you can get the same resource out of it that you put into it. Stone is the only exception, and only if you are hitting actual cobblestone, to produce additional smoothstone, which you will then have to place and pick to get more cobblestone. An Igneous Extruder is better.

    If he has a problem, he should state what the problem is, not engage in exaggeration and hyperbole.
     
  14. KirinDave

    KirinDave New Member


    As far as I know, only gregtech has this problem tough. He's the only one weird enough to suggest you should be able to smelt down things in the default furnace.

    For those who are curious: the fix is to disable all the smelting recipes in Greg's dynamic config. mDiyo rightly doesn't want to check "if it is an ore" because his recipe is applicable to a lot of blocks, including BoP blocks and other non-ore vanilla blocks. For example, you can make glass directly with a tool, or directly harvest Nether Brick from Netherrack. It also lets you avoid cobble entirely, directly collecting smooth stone (or rather, it did until I updated my modpack, not sure if he's removing that intentionally or not...).[DOUBLEPOST=1372292642][/DOUBLEPOST]

    The problem comes from how Fortune interacts with Auto-Smelting. It multiplies the yield in some cases. It's designed for about ~2.5x max return in the best case. Some blocks yield a LOT of metal back, and thus are good targets for this. The Anvil comes to mind as something you can dupe iron with rapidly.

    Ultimately, modpack maintainers need to remove the smelting recipes if they want to pair these mods.
     
  15. DoctorOr

    DoctorOr New Member

    More things should have a reverse recipe, but that's just the dupe loop. You can increase output of any item which is a block and has a smelting recipe. Several are vanilla. The problem is in the smelting+fortune. It's little different from having a machine which will give you two blocks for every one you put in.
     
  16. ShneekeyTheLost

    ShneekeyTheLost Too Much Free Time

    So why doesn't he just come out and say that the problem is with his asinine method of smelting to get stuff back instead of spamming everyone with whining about things that aren't actually a problem...

    EDIT: I can't wait until he finds out what Dartcraft can do with Grinding + Fortune... Grinding pulverizes, which is how you break down metal blocks in GregTech...
     
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  17. KirinDave

    KirinDave New Member


    BlueDart explicitly disables this. His fortune is "aware" of Grinding and does different things based on different recipes.

    Fortune on Grinding with TE is very powerful. If you hit an ore it doesn't increase the 2x yield, but instead increases the chance of the secondary yield. Which is VERY good.
     
  18. MySideYourSide

    MySideYourSide New Member

    Greg could just let you reclaim ingots from items/blocks using a crafting table like many other mods. As time goes by, I'm more satisfied with my decision to never install GT
     
  19. ShneekeyTheLost

    ShneekeyTheLost Too Much Free Time

    FIFY. And I agree completely. Bellyaching in a venue designed to inform users of updates is uncool.
     
  20. SonOfABirch

    SonOfABirch New Member

    This would never be a problem if greg hadn't made storage blocks require smelting to recover ingots. Therefore; Greg's fault.
     
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