Redundant Items In Infusion?

[Eliav24]

I've experimented a bit in creative with infusion and found that you can add more items on the pedestals after the infusion starts, and they can be a redundancy in case any of the original items fall off.
That way, in case of flux event(s), the infusion will not be stalled, thus not consume more essentia or cause further flux event(s).
I've only tried it a few times, and in creative, so if anyone better knows more please let me know So i can delete another unnecessary thread/post understand what's really going on or what i should do.

I've done some search in the forum but couldn't find where to put this. (Or any infusion or thaumcraft guide, for that matter, so it's probably my search skills that's to fault)

 

[Wraithflay]

I don't think I'd do this if only for one problem and the big reason I tend to hate Infusion so much: it doesn't always just knock things off, sometimes it outright eats items without adding them to the infusion process. Gets costly pretty quickly when you're in the upper tier of stuff, so I'd rather just keep the backups on me and replace things as necessary.

 

[Eliav24]

It doesn't matter if you put eight diamonds or one diamond and have seven back-ups, the specific flux event that consumes the item will only happen to one of them (and the infusion won't get stalled so there"ll be less similar flux events).
if you really want you can place a dozen more of the cheapest item and the flux will be more likely to miss the diamond

 

[Wraithflay]

Really? It just ignores the other items on the pedastals unless the original necessary components get eaten/knocked off? That's curious. Does it add instability though, I wonder?

 

[Eliav24]

I wish i had a way to tell

 

[CodaPDX]

It's way simpler and cheaper to just make a ton of magic tallow candles and properly stabilize your altar. A stack of candles hidden under the floor beneath your altar should give you enough stabilization to do most non-KAMI recipes without trouble. Two and a half stacks of candles will fully stabilize even KAMI recipes.

 

[MigukNamja]

One of the RR guys was using a hopper pointed into side of the pedestal to make sure there was always 1 of that item. He did this on the 2nd or 3rd (or more !) attempt at making an Osmotic Enchanter after this 1st or 1st few attempts failed due to too many flux (bad) event disrupting the Infusion process.

Edit : It was Shoop and the part of his video where he shows this is here.

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It's way simpler and cheaper to just make a ton of magic tallow candles and properly stabilize your altar. A stack of candles hidden under the floor beneath your altar should give you enough stabilization to do most non-KAMI recipes without trouble. Two and a half stacks of candles will fully stabilize even KAMI recipes.

Oh, wow. I didn't know candles were that stable. I've only used 8 to 12 in the past. I'll make a bunch more.

Also note nodes help with stability. In my previous two(2) mage towers, my nodes were co-axial with the Altar and just floor beneath it.

 

[Omegatron]

Really? It just ignores the other items on the pedastals unless the original necessary components get eaten/knocked off? That's curious. Does it add instability though, I wonder?

You add them after the infusion starts.

 

[DrowElf]

It's way simpler and cheaper to just make a ton of magic tallow candles and properly stabilize your altar. A stack of candles hidden under the floor beneath your altar should give you enough stabilization to do most non-KAMI recipes without trouble. Two and a half stacks of candles will fully stabilize even KAMI recipes.

What do you mean by under? Do you know what the vertical limit is?

 

[MigukNamja]

You *could* build the Infusion floating directly on top the candles, but that would look terrible. I'm assuming the minimum distance is layer for the "floor" of the Infusion Altar. Don't know what the max is. For instance, don't know if you have a multi-story tower and you put the candles on the floor of the level beneath the Altar with 3, 4, or more layers of air, and then floor of the Infusion Altar between, if that would work.

Easy to verify, though. Just try a Silverwood Wand Core with a bare Altar, then try with candles only. I would try now, but I'm at work.

 

[Celestialphoenix]

One of the RR guys was using a hopper pointed into side of the pedestal.....

I sincerely hope Azanor fixes this with the mother of all flux events

 

[MigukNamja]

I sincerely hope Azanor fixes this with the mother of all flux events

Like one of Reika's beasts from below spawning at every hopper ?

Yeah, I prefer to build my Altar the "correct" way. It just looks better and I'm happier in the long run.

 

[CodaPDX]

Stabilizers and jars can be anywhere from -5 to +10 blocks vertically from the runic matrix, and up to 12 blocks away horizontally. Pedestals have to be on the same z as the center pedestal, but are otherwise free to be placed within 12 blocks.

 

[MigukNamja]

Stabilizers and pedestals can be anywhere from -5 to +10 blocks vertically from the runic matrix, and up to 12 blocks away horizontally.

Thanks ! How about jars of Essentia ?

 

[CodaPDX]

Thanks ! How about jars of Essentia ?

Post edited. Personally, I prefer to hide most of my stabilizers under the altar, and save some nitor and crystals for where they're visible.

 

[MigukNamja]

Post edited. Personally, I prefer to hide most of my stabilizers under the altar, and save some nitor and crystals for where they're visible.

Yes, the crystals and nitor do look nice. I also try not to place anything a fluid (like the purple goo) can knock over near the pedestals. The crystals and nitor are fluid-safe. The candles - not so much.

 

[Celestialphoenix]

Like one of Reika's beasts from below spawning at every hopper ?

Yeah, I prefer to build my Altar the "correct" way. It just looks better and I'm happier in the long run.

I was thinking a literal tsunami of purple gloop.
Or something totally off the wall like the hopper sprouting legs and running off with your diamonds/wand.

But yeah- Reika's pet is pretty creepy. I like it.​

 

[Revemohl]

Oh, wow. I didn't know candles were that stable. I've only used 8 to 12 in the past. I'll make a bunch more.

Also note nodes help with stability. In my previous two(2) mage towers, my nodes were co-axial with the Altar and just floor beneath it.

As far as I know, all stabilizing things have the same value. Crystals, heads, or candles, it doesn't matter.
Also, I believe that since 4.1, Nitor and nodes no longer work for that purpose.

 

[lcd]

I was always confused how far jars could be from the center pedestal but all of these jars are in range

 

[MigukNamja]

I believe that since 4.1, Nitor and nodes no longer work for that purpose.

Hmm...candle spam it is, then. I don't have enough crystals or mob heads in my relatively new 4.1 world yet.