Ok, I have searched the Dartcraft threads here and web searched before posting. The problem is creating force sticks. Recipe shows using two force logs but that produces a oak barricade. Searching this showed others with the same problem. The cure is stated as using Dartcraft beta 1.2.0, the version listed in FTB is 0.1.18. Someone posted this link to get the 0.1.20 > http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1686840-151-152-dartcraft-beta-0120 to download the latest beta build : 0.1.20. Upon going there I didn't see any 0.1.20. The only versions listed in that link are : DartCraft Beta 0.2.06 for Minecraft 1.6.2 and IC2 Experimental* DartCraft Beta 0.2.05 for Minecraft 1.6.2 and IC2 Experimental 2_2.1.130 DartCraft Beta 0.2.04 for Minecraft 1.6.2 and IC2 Experimental 2_2.1.124 DartCraft Beta 0.2.03 for Minecraft 1.6.2 and IC2 Experimental 2_2.0.75 All of these are for Minecraft 1.6.2. Now in my thread regarding Reiminimap I was told that the 1.6.2 version wouldn't work and that was correct, I had to download the REI 1.5.2 version. By this logic none of these Dartcraft versions will work. Just for grins I tried the 2_2.1.124 version but that didn't work and haven't tried any of the others. I saw one comment that Unleashed needed to be changed to version 1.1.4 from the FTB menu which I have no clue how to do that. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. EDIT: Doh! I went back to that link and noticed another spoiler button below the newer versions and that spoiler shows the MC 1.5.2 version. Will see how it goes.